Fiverr 3.0: Revisited (a.k.a. Fiverr 3.1)

[stevemossphd]

1 hour ago, vickiespencer said:

These are the secret reviews every buyer gets to fill out for Fiverr. The first one is during the order process, and the second one is sent in an email later.

 

 

I see one that was 4.7 ⭐️s just a bit ago, and the buyer had left a review with constructive criticism. How do you think he scored you in his secret review? 🤔 Could it affect your profile invisible stats?

Thank you for taking the time to provide additional insights - it really is greatly appreciated. These 'secret' questions/feedback in particular are enlightening, as I wasn't clear on the specifics. I'm not aware of any issues with clients of late that would have translated into disappointing private feedback, but of course we ultimately can't know whether this is the case. Likewise, the 4.7 review was absolutely understandable, but I'd rather hope that 1 review isn't enough to tank a seller's profile to the degree mine has. Based on your insights and others who have kindly contributed to the conversation, I suspect this is likely due to a few additional cancellations (having been fiverr's choice) and potentially lower than usual private feedback (though this is speculative as I have no way of knowing).

Thanks again for all your insights! 

[stevemossphd]

2 hours ago, frank_d said:

The Buyer Satisfaction Rate is a hidden metric that essentially tells Fiverr how well you are performing.

Your BSR is calculated based on your buyers’ exit survey after an order is completed, regardless of what their public review was.

Cancellations most definitely have an effect on your profile’s performance but the good news is that you can bounce back relatively quickly.

The profile’s performance is calculated on a 60-day window whereas gig performance is calculated on a 90-day window.

This is fantastic additional information, for which I am genuinely grateful. 

Based on your insights (and those of others), I suspect the key issue has been an unusually high cancellation rate (due to being fiverr's choice). I'm not aware of any issues or negative interactions with clients (I always bend over backwards to accommodate them where possible) that could have led to a significant decline in private feedback, but of course, I can't ultimately know. 

Anyway, the bi-cycle process makes absolute sense. It's been almost 90 days since my gig/visibility plummeted and the cancellation rate has been reduced significantly, while the work I have delivered has been well received, so my fingers are crossed for an improvement once the next 90 day review window opens.  

[asifhaque07]

On 3/21/2022 at 2:23 AM, frank_d said:

Hey gang!

A disclaimer: The following post/article is not an official Fiverr statement. It’s a summary of my personal observations over how Fiverr works and I am sharing because I noticed that more and more sellers come here, stating that they “lost their ranking”, or claiming that their gigs are "all 5 stars" but they can't get any messages/sales.

This is an effort to provide them with some answers and some food for thought.

Hold up. Fiverr 3.1?

I know you were probably expecting something a bit more dramatic, but this is not a brand new thesis. 

This is me revisiting my previous one, and updating it after seeing a few new things popping up and some previous assumptions being confirmed as either off-base or not as important as I previously thought.

"Ha! I knew it, you were wrong!"

Well actually no. Let me preface this by saying that I am revisiting my original thesis, not because it was proven wrong.

In fact the core premise of my past article, still stands true.

Fiverr favors performance, and is still trying to get a perfect match between buyers and sellers.

So it's still about relevancy, performance and quality.

The reason why I am revisiting the thesis is because I have stumbled upon new evidence that tell me there have been a few updates during the past two years. Not an overhaul mind you, but several "Quality of Life" updates and additions.

Let's talk about indicators

OK so we are all familiar with our profile's metrics.

These are the actual metrics that Fiverr chose to reveal to us sellers in an attempt to provide us with some crucial performance indicators.

This is actually the original system Fiverr put into place back in the "2.0" era, when it needed to be able to qualify sellers and update SERP dynamically. Fiverr 1.0 only had the thumbs up/down rating system and other than the actual level sellers and the occasional reporting/flagging by buyers for inappropriate behavior, Fiverr had very little to go on when it came to understanding who was a good freelancer and who wasn't.

So it would make sense for a seller at any given time, to just look at them and go: "I must say, I am doing a jolly good job! Let me pat myself on the back before I deliver this order and get my 5.0 star review!"

Right?

Wrong.

Two systems colliding

As you can probably guess, Fiverr grew even more. And what usually happens when a company grows this much and at a certain rate, its initial systems are no longer able to keep up with growth pains that come up.

So a new system was put into place. It didn't replace the old system, but it is working alongside it, in an effort to help Fiverr understand performance.

This new system is essentially there to give more data points to Fiverr and help qualify certain actions.

That new system started off with the "buyer satisfaction rate".

That's not an unfamiliar term nowadays, as Fiverr employees started actually talking about this openly for the past year or so.

I talked about this on my previous article, but now it's not just a rumor or the ramblings of a mad man, Fiverr is actually talking about this, thus confirming part of my thesis.

There is a formula in place that makes sure the system get valuable information on whether a seller is performing well or not.

So what's new?

Well, that buyer satisfaction formula is apparently more extensive now, and a lot more complicated.

Furthermore, there are now two different systems in place, working towards the same goal.

One system is there to determine whether or not your profile is in good standing and then there's a different system in place that actually grades your gigs individually.

(the average Fiverr seller's reaction when they hear of a new performance rating system)

Now before you start grabbing your pitchforks, let me explain why that is potentially a good thing.

First of all, I have been rather vocal about how this new system -no matter how imperfect it may be- is at least allowing for the possibility of recovery. So when a seller's performance slips, it just takes some time after which you are back in the game.

It's a more forgiving system altogether, or it seems as it was designed to allow for more margins of error.

But let's get back on track.

The two systems are not fully aligned.

Seems like the profile performance metrics are refreshed on a 60-day window, whereas the gig's performance metrics are calculated on a 90-day window.

I don't know why that is, but a good guess would be that they are just stacking different systems on top of the old build so they can't just nuke previous choices that used to make sense 4 years ago.

I am taking a deep dive into the macro-economy of the system, in an attempt to help de-mystify the issues I see popping up on the forum on a daily basis.

People come here and complain that things are A-OK with their clients and reviews, but they either lost promoted gigs eligibility or their gigs are not "ranking" the same anymore. 

(notice the overdramatic air quotes when I mention ranking)

 

Fiverr's systems are opaque. That's by design. So I understand that it's frustrating.

But on the other hand, I have been here since 2013, where things were less complicated and you could simply piece things together by landing the right CS agent on your support ticket.

And let me tell you: people used to game the living crap out of the old system.

(Me after realizing public reviews are now worthless)

Which is basically why Fiverr constantly makes changes.

Reviews were exploited -people still to this day pressure their buyers for positive reviews-, the number of sellers exploded since 2019, and Fiverr constantly expanding across more verticals.

Fiverr is trying to come up with a legitimate way to understand two main things:

• Buyer behavior

• Seller performance

 

But how can one improve if the metrics are not opaque?
 

This is where this whole "indicators" business comes in.

We need to look at what the system is telling us.

Stop focusing on what the system is not telling you.

That was a big part of my original thesis that people focused on and tried to debunk/discredit it.

I talked about speed and gave some specific examples of indicators that Fiverr has subtly left there for us to see, and people were very keen on rejecting them outright.

On this update I chose not to focus on the indicators as much, as a lot of people were focusing on whether or not they existed and/or utilized by the system. Instead I want to focus on the bigger picture, and some good practices for sellers on Fiverr in 2022.

This may be a good place however to brag about how I was right when I said that Fiverr likes speed and favors sellers who respond quickly. As since I made that claim in my previous article, Fiverr actually came forward with the "order response rate" which actually shows you if you responded fast enough when a new order was submitted.

(me after Fiverr updated the seller's dashboard proving half of my assumptions to be RIGHT)

What does this all mean for us sellers?

That's a legitimate question.

1) Well first of all you need to understand that looking at your dashboard metrics and getting 5.0 star reviews from your buyers, is not giving you the whole picture anymore. (It's still important that you keep those metrics as close to perfect as possible, and not getting negative reviews should be the absolute baseline.)

2) It is also important to understand that the "Buyer satisfaction rate" dates back 90 days, so it's a delayed view on your performance.

3) It is also my understanding if multiple orders don't go that great during the same 90-day window, they stack up, meaning things will not improve for your gig's standing until at least one of them is removed from that rolling window.

4) Fiverr no longer looks for just amazing web developers, cool logo designers and Pulitzer-worthy writers when evaluating performance. In fact, Fiverr is not equipped to understand if you are delivering a high quality design or a photo-copy of mashed potatoes.

Fiverr is looking for great facilitators. As a seller you should be focusing on your buyer's experience overall as much as you do on your actual craft.

5) The promoted gigs feature is not as simple as I initially suspected it to be. It's actually part of this new complex system that Fiverr has set up, as it is being fed with your gig's performance numbers constantly, in order to only promote the best gigs out there. It is also intertwined with the actual system that understands if you are relevant to what people are searching for.

So when you lose eligibility and can no longer promote a gig you used to be able to promote, this is an indicator of a "buyer satisfaction rate" slip-up, most likely on a gig performance level. By then of course it's too late to act upon it, but it is an indicator nonetheless.

6) Relevancy is calculated using a more complicated formula now. ASP (average selling price) on your gigs, is also now being calculated when determining where your gig is placed on search results, past performance matters more and is actually used to project future outcomes when Fiverr matches you with buyers, and this new Fiverr briefs feature is also trying to guide buyer's behavior and eliminate the need to search altogether. 

7) I noticed that the "returning buyer" metric is not just a nifty little animated badge you get on your profile to serve as a trust signal toward your prospects. It is actually a brand new metric that Fiverr uses to calculate performance. I was initially super-annoyed by it, as I am a Pro seller who has a higher barrier of entry due to pricing alone, so when I realized that Fiverr was valuing return buyers, I'm not going to lie, it felt like it was game-over for me.

But I did try to assess the situation and when it became apparent to me that it's a brand new metric that Fiverr will use to evaluate me, I pivoted and adjusted my gig strategy to compensate and stay relevant.

(me going back to the drawing board every time there's an algorithm update)

I have a birthday cake to go to, turning 41 today, so I will try to sum things up and give you some things to think about.

Fiverr is not a perfect system, nor does it try to be a fair system. (more on that on a future post)

It is doing its best to evaluate millions of gigs and hundreds of thousands of active sellers, to make sure it creates a perfect match to buyers that have their credit card at hand, ready to spend money.

It is constantly adding metrics, tools and data points, in an effort to perfect it formula and adapt to ever-changing buyer/seller behavior.

Whether we like it or not, by being a part of this platform, we have to realize that there is a system in place and that the only way to grow as a business and be favored by this system, is to understand its rules and what the system is trying to achieve.

Fiverr is making huge strides in understanding and mapping out buyer behavior, which is a good thing for us sellers.

But the most complicated part of Fiverr right now, is the system trying to evaluate seller performance on so many levels.  

OK so I kept talking about a really complex system, without being able to dive into as much details as I would like.

I also mentioned that indicators are important, but I also didn't want to have to reply to dozen of messages telling me that "there's no way the system would measure X Frank, that's totally not cool!"

But I think I can share this one theory that I have, that is also a really strong indicator to anyone who is willing to research their gigs and past performance.

Unfortunately, this is only for Seller Plus members, as I will mention a tool that is only available to them.

So here goes. 

Seller plus members are able to create special discount coupons, and then offer them to their past clients, in order to create more returning buyers and a stronger relationship between vendor/client.

Now here comes the important part:

You can't offer coupons willy-nilly. There are apparently some metrics that won't allow you to even see a past buyer in your list when trying to send coupons.

And here's my theory:

Since the list of past buyers available to you is based on the past 90 days, and since there is a visual indicator right there on the UI telling you that the system picked which buyers you get to see/send the coupons to, what if this is a good way to look into past buyers and figuring out what the system won't tell you:

A) either which type of buyer was a good match for your selling profile

or

B) which past orders affected your buyer satisfaction rate.

I am not in any way suggesting that you should rush on your coupons dashboard and try to look at that list to find out which buyers may have left a less than positive exit survey.  That's not the case.

I am simply saying that if Fiverr is trying to create great matches, and then it sort of/kind of tells you who wasn't a great match, maybe you can put the missing pieces together and see how you can improve moving forward.

This has not been proven, nor have I discussed this with anyone on Fiverr. (I don't think I want to do that)

I am bringing this up just to give you an example of what an existing indicator may be. 

Fiverr won't give you the formula, or a straight answer of how performance is calculated, but there are strong indicators peppers in throughout the UI telling you what Fiverr is looking for.

Long post over.

Welcome to Fiverr 3.1.

As always, I am here to answer any questions and feel free to share your experiences!

 

Thank you! 🎂

 

 

The only that make happy about this post was " It's a more forgiving system altogether, or it seems as it was designed to allow for more margins of error." Hope its true.

By the way, thanks a lot for your in depth article in this topic which can be considered as a TABOO!!

[ann_model]

Really great article. Thank you. What about revisions? Is it also a factor or daoesn't matter how many % customer ask for revision and how many revisions being sent before accepting order?

[jimmyjenny]

Hey @frank_d

We just saw your post and it really have such great details to follow and keep in mind .

Keep posting such detailed post it really answers many of our doubts and confusion.

 

[montaaz]

I always encourage people to take Fiverr seriously, but Frank took it on another level. AND I LOVE IT.

Thank you for sharing this, it came from a great heart to put time, effort, and humor to write this article.

 

[az_design1]

On 3/20/2022 at 9:23 PM, frank_d said:

Hey gang!

A disclaimer: The following post/article is not an official Fiverr statement. It’s a summary of my personal observations over how Fiverr works and I am sharing because I noticed that more and more sellers come here, stating that they “lost their ranking”, or claiming that their gigs are "all 5 stars" but they can't get any messages/sales.

This is an effort to provide them with some answers and some food for thought.

Hold up. Fiverr 3.1?

I know you were probably expecting something a bit more dramatic, but this is not a brand new thesis. 

This is me revisiting my previous one, and updating it after seeing a few new things popping up and some previous assumptions being confirmed as either off-base or not as important as I previously thought.

"Ha! I knew it, you were wrong!"

Well actually no. Let me preface this by saying that I am revisiting my original thesis, not because it was proven wrong.

In fact the core premise of my past article, still stands true.

Fiverr favors performance, and is still trying to get a perfect match between buyers and sellers.

So it's still about relevancy, performance and quality.

The reason why I am revisiting the thesis is because I have stumbled upon new evidence that tell me there have been a few updates during the past two years. Not an overhaul mind you, but several "Quality of Life" updates and additions.

Let's talk about indicators

OK so we are all familiar with our profile's metrics.

These are the actual metrics that Fiverr chose to reveal to us sellers in an attempt to provide us with some crucial performance indicators.

This is actually the original system Fiverr put into place back in the "2.0" era, when it needed to be able to qualify sellers and update SERP dynamically. Fiverr 1.0 only had the thumbs up/down rating system and other than the actual level sellers and the occasional reporting/flagging by buyers for inappropriate behavior, Fiverr had very little to go on when it came to understanding who was a good freelancer and who wasn't.

So it would make sense for a seller at any given time, to just look at them and go: "I must say, I am doing a jolly good job! Let me pat myself on the back before I deliver this order and get my 5.0 star review!"

Right?

Wrong.

Two systems colliding

As you can probably guess, Fiverr grew even more. And what usually happens when a company grows this much and at a certain rate, its initial systems are no longer able to keep up with growth pains that come up.

So a new system was put into place. It didn't replace the old system, but it is working alongside it, in an effort to help Fiverr understand performance.

This new system is essentially there to give more data points to Fiverr and help qualify certain actions.

That new system started off with the "buyer satisfaction rate".

That's not an unfamiliar term nowadays, as Fiverr employees started actually talking about this openly for the past year or so.

I talked about this on my previous article, but now it's not just a rumor or the ramblings of a mad man, Fiverr is actually talking about this, thus confirming part of my thesis.

There is a formula in place that makes sure the system get valuable information on whether a seller is performing well or not.

So what's new?

Well, that buyer satisfaction formula is apparently more extensive now, and a lot more complicated.

Furthermore, there are now two different systems in place, working towards the same goal.

One system is there to determine whether or not your profile is in good standing and then there's a different system in place that actually grades your gigs individually.

(the average Fiverr seller's reaction when they hear of a new performance rating system)

Now before you start grabbing your pitchforks, let me explain why that is potentially a good thing.

First of all, I have been rather vocal about how this new system -no matter how imperfect it may be- is at least allowing for the possibility of recovery. So when a seller's performance slips, it just takes some time after which you are back in the game.

It's a more forgiving system altogether, or it seems as it was designed to allow for more margins of error.

But let's get back on track.

The two systems are not fully aligned.

Seems like the profile performance metrics are refreshed on a 60-day window, whereas the gig's performance metrics are calculated on a 90-day window.

I don't know why that is, but a good guess would be that they are just stacking different systems on top of the old build so they can't just nuke previous choices that used to make sense 4 years ago.

I am taking a deep dive into the macro-economy of the system, in an attempt to help de-mystify the issues I see popping up on the forum on a daily basis.

People come here and complain that things are A-OK with their clients and reviews, but they either lost promoted gigs eligibility or their gigs are not "ranking" the same anymore. 

(notice the overdramatic air quotes when I mention ranking)

 

Fiverr's systems are opaque. That's by design. So I understand that it's frustrating.

But on the other hand, I have been here since 2013, where things were less complicated and you could simply piece things together by landing the right CS agent on your support ticket.

And let me tell you: people used to game the living crap out of the old system.

(Me after realizing public reviews are now worthless)

Which is basically why Fiverr constantly makes changes.

Reviews were exploited -people still to this day pressure their buyers for positive reviews-, the number of sellers exploded since 2019, and Fiverr constantly expanding across more verticals.

Fiverr is trying to come up with a legitimate way to understand two main things:

• Buyer behavior

• Seller performance

 

But how can one improve if the metrics are not opaque?
 

This is where this whole "indicators" business comes in.

We need to look at what the system is telling us.

Stop focusing on what the system is not telling you.

That was a big part of my original thesis that people focused on and tried to debunk/discredit it.

I talked about speed and gave some specific examples of indicators that Fiverr has subtly left there for us to see, and people were very keen on rejecting them outright.

On this update I chose not to focus on the indicators as much, as a lot of people were focusing on whether or not they existed and/or utilized by the system. Instead I want to focus on the bigger picture, and some good practices for sellers on Fiverr in 2022.

This may be a good place however to brag about how I was right when I said that Fiverr likes speed and favors sellers who respond quickly. As since I made that claim in my previous article, Fiverr actually came forward with the "order response rate" which actually shows you if you responded fast enough when a new order was submitted.

(me after Fiverr updated the seller's dashboard proving half of my assumptions to be RIGHT)

What does this all mean for us sellers?

That's a legitimate question.

1) Well first of all you need to understand that looking at your dashboard metrics and getting 5.0 star reviews from your buyers, is not giving you the whole picture anymore. (It's still important that you keep those metrics as close to perfect as possible, and not getting negative reviews should be the absolute baseline.)

2) It is also important to understand that the "Buyer satisfaction rate" dates back 90 days, so it's a delayed view on your performance.

3) It is also my understanding if multiple orders don't go that great during the same 90-day window, they stack up, meaning things will not improve for your gig's standing until at least one of them is removed from that rolling window.

4) Fiverr no longer looks for just amazing web developers, cool logo designers and Pulitzer-worthy writers when evaluating performance. In fact, Fiverr is not equipped to understand if you are delivering a high quality design or a photo-copy of mashed potatoes.

Fiverr is looking for great facilitators. As a seller you should be focusing on your buyer's experience overall as much as you do on your actual craft.

5) The promoted gigs feature is not as simple as I initially suspected it to be. It's actually part of this new complex system that Fiverr has set up, as it is being fed with your gig's performance numbers constantly, in order to only promote the best gigs out there. It is also intertwined with the actual system that understands if you are relevant to what people are searching for.

So when you lose eligibility and can no longer promote a gig you used to be able to promote, this is an indicator of a "buyer satisfaction rate" slip-up, most likely on a gig performance level. By then of course it's too late to act upon it, but it is an indicator nonetheless.

6) Relevancy is calculated using a more complicated formula now. ASP (average selling price) on your gigs, is also now being calculated when determining where your gig is placed on search results, past performance matters more and is actually used to project future outcomes when Fiverr matches you with buyers, and this new Fiverr briefs feature is also trying to guide buyer's behavior and eliminate the need to search altogether. 

7) I noticed that the "returning buyer" metric is not just a nifty little animated badge you get on your profile to serve as a trust signal toward your prospects. It is actually a brand new metric that Fiverr uses to calculate performance. I was initially super-annoyed by it, as I am a Pro seller who has a higher barrier of entry due to pricing alone, so when I realized that Fiverr was valuing return buyers, I'm not going to lie, it felt like it was game-over for me.

But I did try to assess the situation and when it became apparent to me that it's a brand new metric that Fiverr will use to evaluate me, I pivoted and adjusted my gig strategy to compensate and stay relevant.

(me going back to the drawing board every time there's an algorithm update)

I have a birthday cake to go to, turning 41 today, so I will try to sum things up and give you some things to think about.

Fiverr is not a perfect system, nor does it try to be a fair system. (more on that on a future post)

It is doing its best to evaluate millions of gigs and hundreds of thousands of active sellers, to make sure it creates a perfect match to buyers that have their credit card at hand, ready to spend money.

It is constantly adding metrics, tools and data points, in an effort to perfect it formula and adapt to ever-changing buyer/seller behavior.

Whether we like it or not, by being a part of this platform, we have to realize that there is a system in place and that the only way to grow as a business and be favored by this system, is to understand its rules and what the system is trying to achieve.

Fiverr is making huge strides in understanding and mapping out buyer behavior, which is a good thing for us sellers.

But the most complicated part of Fiverr right now, is the system trying to evaluate seller performance on so many levels.  

OK so I kept talking about a really complex system, without being able to dive into as much details as I would like.

I also mentioned that indicators are important, but I also didn't want to have to reply to dozen of messages telling me that "there's no way the system would measure X Frank, that's totally not cool!"

But I think I can share this one theory that I have, that is also a really strong indicator to anyone who is willing to research their gigs and past performance.

Unfortunately, this is only for Seller Plus members, as I will mention a tool that is only available to them.

So here goes. 

Seller plus members are able to create special discount coupons, and then offer them to their past clients, in order to create more returning buyers and a stronger relationship between vendor/client.

Now here comes the important part:

You can't offer coupons willy-nilly. There are apparently some metrics that won't allow you to even see a past buyer in your list when trying to send coupons.

And here's my theory:

Since the list of past buyers available to you is based on the past 90 days, and since there is a visual indicator right there on the UI telling you that the system picked which buyers you get to see/send the coupons to, what if this is a good way to look into past buyers and figuring out what the system won't tell you:

A) either which type of buyer was a good match for your selling profile

or

B) which past orders affected your buyer satisfaction rate.

I am not in any way suggesting that you should rush on your coupons dashboard and try to look at that list to find out which buyers may have left a less than positive exit survey.  That's not the case.

I am simply saying that if Fiverr is trying to create great matches, and then it sort of/kind of tells you who wasn't a great match, maybe you can put the missing pieces together and see how you can improve moving forward.

This has not been proven, nor have I discussed this with anyone on Fiverr. (I don't think I want to do that)

I am bringing this up just to give you an example of what an existing indicator may be. 

Fiverr won't give you the formula, or a straight answer of how performance is calculated, but there are strong indicators peppers in throughout the UI telling you what Fiverr is looking for.

Long post over.

Welcome to Fiverr 3.1.

As always, I am here to answer any questions and feel free to share your experiences!

 

Thank you! 🎂

 

 

Hi Frank, Thanks for this great article, I wonder if you could answer my question:

is the average selling price (that actually effects your ranking) the one on your analytics overview or it is the ASP for the past 90 days?

[frank_d]

5 minutes ago, az_design1 said:

Hi Frank, Thanks for this great article, I wonder if you could answer my question:

is the average selling price (that actually effects your ranking) the one on your analytics overview or it is the ASP for the past 90 days?

The ASP that affects your ranking is calculated on a per gig basis and as far as I know it’s based on the gig’s lifetime performance and not on a rolling window.

The average selling price on your dashboard is different.

[az_design1]

3 minutes ago, frank_d said:

The ASP that affects your ranking is calculated on a per gig basis and as far as I know it’s based on the gig’s lifetime performance and not on a rolling window.

The average selling price on your dashboard is different.

Thanks for the help, one more question: if I create a new gig, will my previous gig's performance affects my new gig? like my previous gig's private rating, ...

[frank_d]

22 minutes ago, az_design1 said:

Thanks for the help, one more question: if I create a new gig, will my previous gig's performance affects my new gig? like my previous gig's private rating, ...

Yes, your buyer satisfaction metric affects your entire account.

[gwen_taylor]

On 3/21/2022 at 1:53 AM, frank_d said:

Hey gang!

A disclaimer: The following post/article is not an official Fiverr statement. It’s a summary of my personal observations over how Fiverr works and I am sharing because I noticed that more and more sellers come here, stating that they “lost their ranking”, or claiming that their gigs are "all 5 stars" but they can't get any messages/sales.

This is an effort to provide them with some answers and some food for thought.

Hold up. Fiverr 3.1?

I know you were probably expecting something a bit more dramatic, but this is not a brand new thesis. 

This is me revisiting my previous one, and updating it after seeing a few new things popping up and some previous assumptions being confirmed as either off-base or not as important as I previously thought.

"Ha! I knew it, you were wrong!"

Well actually no. Let me preface this by saying that I am revisiting my original thesis, not because it was proven wrong.

In fact the core premise of my past article, still stands true.

Fiverr favors performance, and is still trying to get a perfect match between buyers and sellers.

So it's still about relevancy, performance and quality.

The reason why I am revisiting the thesis is because I have stumbled upon new evidence that tell me there have been a few updates during the past two years. Not an overhaul mind you, but several "Quality of Life" updates and additions.

Let's talk about indicators

OK so we are all familiar with our profile's metrics.

These are the actual metrics that Fiverr chose to reveal to us sellers in an attempt to provide us with some crucial performance indicators.

This is actually the original system Fiverr put into place back in the "2.0" era, when it needed to be able to qualify sellers and update SERP dynamically. Fiverr 1.0 only had the thumbs up/down rating system and other than the actual level sellers and the occasional reporting/flagging by buyers for inappropriate behavior, Fiverr had very little to go on when it came to understanding who was a good freelancer and who wasn't.

So it would make sense for a seller at any given time, to just look at them and go: "I must say, I am doing a jolly good job! Let me pat myself on the back before I deliver this order and get my 5.0 star review!"

Right?

Wrong.

Two systems colliding

As you can probably guess, Fiverr grew even more. And what usually happens when a company grows this much and at a certain rate, its initial systems are no longer able to keep up with growth pains that come up.

So a new system was put into place. It didn't replace the old system, but it is working alongside it, in an effort to help Fiverr understand performance.

This new system is essentially there to give more data points to Fiverr and help qualify certain actions.

That new system started off with the "buyer satisfaction rate".

That's not an unfamiliar term nowadays, as Fiverr employees started actually talking about this openly for the past year or so.

I talked about this on my previous article, but now it's not just a rumor or the ramblings of a mad man, Fiverr is actually talking about this, thus confirming part of my thesis.

There is a formula in place that makes sure the system get valuable information on whether a seller is performing well or not.

So what's new?

Well, that buyer satisfaction formula is apparently more extensive now, and a lot more complicated.

Furthermore, there are now two different systems in place, working towards the same goal.

One system is there to determine whether or not your profile is in good standing and then there's a different system in place that actually grades your gigs individually.

(the average Fiverr seller's reaction when they hear of a new performance rating system)

Now before you start grabbing your pitchforks, let me explain why that is potentially a good thing.

First of all, I have been rather vocal about how this new system -no matter how imperfect it may be- is at least allowing for the possibility of recovery. So when a seller's performance slips, it just takes some time after which you are back in the game.

It's a more forgiving system altogether, or it seems as it was designed to allow for more margins of error.

But let's get back on track.

The two systems are not fully aligned.

Seems like the profile performance metrics are refreshed on a 60-day window, whereas the gig's performance metrics are calculated on a 90-day window.

I don't know why that is, but a good guess would be that they are just stacking different systems on top of the old build so they can't just nuke previous choices that used to make sense 4 years ago.

I am taking a deep dive into the macro-economy of the system, in an attempt to help de-mystify the issues I see popping up on the forum on a daily basis.

People come here and complain that things are A-OK with their clients and reviews, but they either lost promoted gigs eligibility or their gigs are not "ranking" the same anymore. 

(notice the overdramatic air quotes when I mention ranking)

 

Fiverr's systems are opaque. That's by design. So I understand that it's frustrating.

But on the other hand, I have been here since 2013, where things were less complicated and you could simply piece things together by landing the right CS agent on your support ticket.

And let me tell you: people used to game the living crap out of the old system.

(Me after realizing public reviews are now worthless)

Which is basically why Fiverr constantly makes changes.

Reviews were exploited -people still to this day pressure their buyers for positive reviews-, the number of sellers exploded since 2019, and Fiverr constantly expanding across more verticals.

Fiverr is trying to come up with a legitimate way to understand two main things:

• Buyer behavior

• Seller performance

 

But how can one improve if the metrics are not opaque?
 

This is where this whole "indicators" business comes in.

We need to look at what the system is telling us.

Stop focusing on what the system is not telling you.

That was a big part of my original thesis that people focused on and tried to debunk/discredit it.

I talked about speed and gave some specific examples of indicators that Fiverr has subtly left there for us to see, and people were very keen on rejecting them outright.

On this update I chose not to focus on the indicators as much, as a lot of people were focusing on whether or not they existed and/or utilized by the system. Instead I want to focus on the bigger picture, and some good practices for sellers on Fiverr in 2022.

This may be a good place however to brag about how I was right when I said that Fiverr likes speed and favors sellers who respond quickly. As since I made that claim in my previous article, Fiverr actually came forward with the "order response rate" which actually shows you if you responded fast enough when a new order was submitted.

(me after Fiverr updated the seller's dashboard proving half of my assumptions to be RIGHT)

What does this all mean for us sellers?

That's a legitimate question.

1) Well first of all you need to understand that looking at your dashboard metrics and getting 5.0 star reviews from your buyers, is not giving you the whole picture anymore. (It's still important that you keep those metrics as close to perfect as possible, and not getting negative reviews should be the absolute baseline.)

2) It is also important to understand that the "Buyer satisfaction rate" dates back 90 days, so it's a delayed view on your performance.

3) It is also my understanding if multiple orders don't go that great during the same 90-day window, they stack up, meaning things will not improve for your gig's standing until at least one of them is removed from that rolling window.

4) Fiverr no longer looks for just amazing web developers, cool logo designers and Pulitzer-worthy writers when evaluating performance. In fact, Fiverr is not equipped to understand if you are delivering a high quality design or a photo-copy of mashed potatoes.

Fiverr is looking for great facilitators. As a seller you should be focusing on your buyer's experience overall as much as you do on your actual craft.

5) The promoted gigs feature is not as simple as I initially suspected it to be. It's actually part of this new complex system that Fiverr has set up, as it is being fed with your gig's performance numbers constantly, in order to only promote the best gigs out there. It is also intertwined with the actual system that understands if you are relevant to what people are searching for.

So when you lose eligibility and can no longer promote a gig you used to be able to promote, this is an indicator of a "buyer satisfaction rate" slip-up, most likely on a gig performance level. By then of course it's too late to act upon it, but it is an indicator nonetheless.

6) Relevancy is calculated using a more complicated formula now. ASP (average selling price) on your gigs, is also now being calculated when determining where your gig is placed on search results, past performance matters more and is actually used to project future outcomes when Fiverr matches you with buyers, and this new Fiverr briefs feature is also trying to guide buyer's behavior and eliminate the need to search altogether. 

7) I noticed that the "returning buyer" metric is not just a nifty little animated badge you get on your profile to serve as a trust signal toward your prospects. It is actually a brand new metric that Fiverr uses to calculate performance. I was initially super-annoyed by it, as I am a Pro seller who has a higher barrier of entry due to pricing alone, so when I realized that Fiverr was valuing return buyers, I'm not going to lie, it felt like it was game-over for me.

But I did try to assess the situation and when it became apparent to me that it's a brand new metric that Fiverr will use to evaluate me, I pivoted and adjusted my gig strategy to compensate and stay relevant.

(me going back to the drawing board every time there's an algorithm update)

I have a birthday cake to go to, turning 41 today, so I will try to sum things up and give you some things to think about.

Fiverr is not a perfect system, nor does it try to be a fair system. (more on that on a future post)

It is doing its best to evaluate millions of gigs and hundreds of thousands of active sellers, to make sure it creates a perfect match to buyers that have their credit card at hand, ready to spend money.

It is constantly adding metrics, tools and data points, in an effort to perfect it formula and adapt to ever-changing buyer/seller behavior.

Whether we like it or not, by being a part of this platform, we have to realize that there is a system in place and that the only way to grow as a business and be favored by this system, is to understand its rules and what the system is trying to achieve.

Fiverr is making huge strides in understanding and mapping out buyer behavior, which is a good thing for us sellers.

But the most complicated part of Fiverr right now, is the system trying to evaluate seller performance on so many levels.  

OK so I kept talking about a really complex system, without being able to dive into as much details as I would like.

I also mentioned that indicators are important, but I also didn't want to have to reply to dozen of messages telling me that "there's no way the system would measure X Frank, that's totally not cool!"

But I think I can share this one theory that I have, that is also a really strong indicator to anyone who is willing to research their gigs and past performance.

Unfortunately, this is only for Seller Plus members, as I will mention a tool that is only available to them.

So here goes. 

Seller plus members are able to create special discount coupons, and then offer them to their past clients, in order to create more returning buyers and a stronger relationship between vendor/client.

Now here comes the important part:

You can't offer coupons willy-nilly. There are apparently some metrics that won't allow you to even see a past buyer in your list when trying to send coupons.

And here's my theory:

Since the list of past buyers available to you is based on the past 90 days, and since there is a visual indicator right there on the UI telling you that the system picked which buyers you get to see/send the coupons to, what if this is a good way to look into past buyers and figuring out what the system won't tell you:

A) either which type of buyer was a good match for your selling profile

or

B) which past orders affected your buyer satisfaction rate.

I am not in any way suggesting that you should rush on your coupons dashboard and try to look at that list to find out which buyers may have left a less than positive exit survey.  That's not the case.

I am simply saying that if Fiverr is trying to create great matches, and then it sort of/kind of tells you who wasn't a great match, maybe you can put the missing pieces together and see how you can improve moving forward.

This has not been proven, nor have I discussed this with anyone on Fiverr. (I don't think I want to do that)

I am bringing this up just to give you an example of what an existing indicator may be. 

Fiverr won't give you the formula, or a straight answer of how performance is calculated, but there are strong indicators peppers in throughout the UI telling you what Fiverr is looking for.

Long post over.

Welcome to Fiverr 3.1.

As always, I am here to answer any questions and feel free to share your experiences!

 

Thank you! 🎂

 

 

That was very informative Frank. Thank you sharing these insights with us. This will be very informative to all new sellers like me. 

[imagination7413]

3 minutes ago, mamonurbabu said:

Thank you frank For the great topic

There is no way you've read through this entire topic in 2 minutes. If you have nothing to contribute, then please just use the reaction option.

[vickiespencer]

5 hours ago, imagination7413 said:

There is no way you've read through this entire topic in 2 minutes. If you have nothing to contribute, then please just use the reaction option.

Perhaps .@mamonurbabu thinks that by posting on the Fiverr Forum, he will get some benefit? However, in this post Mjensen refutes that rumor.

[abulazeez]

Happy birthday Frank 🎂 and thanks for the great topic, it's very helpful and make me understand Fiverr more.

Thanks enjoy your cake 🎉

[samantcoursey]

hello,

I think you are right, i lost my promoted gigs and all my gigs are on the lastest pages and even i cant see them without using level 2 filter for example and here's a screenshoot of what look like my impressions and now its has been more then 2 months, but i completed many order during this period, is that possible that i can comeback as i was always a good seller on the first page?

[frank_d]

18 hours ago, samantcoursey said:

hello,

I think you are right, i lost my promoted gigs and all my gigs are on the lastest pages and even i cant see them without using level 2 filter for example and here's a screenshoot of what look like my impressions and now its has been more then 2 months, but i completed many order during this period, is that possible that i can comeback as i was always a good seller on the first page?

A new update happened roughly 90 days ago, in the beginning of the previous cycle.

It signals that the search feature is now working differently.

More info to follow soon.

Could be unrelated to your situation though if you lost the ability to promote.

Yes you can bounce back.

[Guest dorcas2001]

On 3/20/2022 at 11:23 PM, frank_d said:

Seems like the profile performance metrics are refreshed on a 60-day window, whereas the gig's performance metrics are calculated on a 90-day window.

Are these matrices based on individual gigs or do they have a specific day like levering system which is done on 15th?

[frank_d]

31 minutes ago, dorcas2001 said:

Are these matrices based on individual gigs or do they have a specific day like levering system which is done on 15th?

It’s a rolling window, not a set date.

[Guest dorcas2001]

22 hours ago, frank_d said:

rolling window

What is a rolling window? Please forgive my stupidity..

[uk1000]

36 minutes ago, dorcas2001 said:

What is a rolling window?

A 60 day rolling window means the dates that it take into account keep changing but always take into account 60 days.

eg.

at 09:00 on 18th July 2022 it might take into account things that happened (orders completed/cancellations etc.) from that day & time - 60 days to that day & time. So from 09:00 on 19th May 2022 to 18th July 2022

at 09:00 on 19th July 2022 it might take into account things that happened (orders completed/cancellations etc.) from that day & time - 60 days to that day & time. So from 09:00 on 20th May 2022 to 19th July 2022

So the window of dates & times it's taken into account has moved forward by 1 day (the rolling bit) but it still takes into account 60 days worth of info.

Edited July 18, 2022 by uk1000

[danielkenaddy96]

On 6/11/2022 at 11:36 AM, frank_d said:

Yes, your buyer satisfaction metric affects your entire account.

@frank_d 

First of all, thank you so much for posting such an important article. I created my fiverr account in April 2021, but due to my studies, I started working on fiverr as a seller in December 2021.From January to June 2022, I had lots of orders and Within those few months, I was able to go from being a new seller to a level 2 seller.

Does the private feedback given by buyers at that time always affect the buyer satisfaction rate of my profile? Or does it lose its effect to the buyer satisfaction rate after a period of 60 days?

Because since three months now, impression, clicks and orders on my gig are very low.
 

[uk1000]

1 hour ago, danielkenaddy96 said:

Because since three months now, impression, clicks and orders on my gig are very low.

Have you checked your gigs are active? I don't see any active gigs on the Fiverr profile with your username. That would affect impressions etc.

[danielkenaddy96]

39 minutes ago, uk1000 said:

Have you checked your gigs are active? I don't see any active gigs on the Fiverr profile with your username. That would affect impressions etc.

@uk1000Thank you for your reply. yes i paused my gig yesterday.

[danielkenaddy96]

From January to June I had 1000+ impressions per day but after June the impressions decreased little by little.

[mandyzines]

On 3/20/2022 at 10:23 AM, frank_d said:

Fiverr is looking for great facilitators. As a seller you should be focusing on your buyer's experience overall as much as you do on your actual craft.

I've come to wonder how much denying low paying offers affects your overall exposure in the marketplace.