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[newsmike]

1 hour ago, uk1000 said:

This is what perplexity.ai says about the other cases:

The youtube vid referenced by the perplexity.ai link:

 

Her entire premise is that 2+2 can equal 5, and all you have to do is change the definition of either "2"or "plus."  It is nonsense. 

For example, I tell you that I can lift an airplane. As long as we mentally change the word airplane to mean kitten, yes that works, but it is amongst the laziest thinking possible. 

 

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[uk1000]

18 minutes ago, newsmike said:

Her entire premise is that 2+2 can equal 5, but only if you change the definition of either "2"or "plus."  It is nonsense. 

What happens if you store a number in a byte (which can only store 0 to 255) and it's already holding the value 250 and you add 10 to it? It would overflow/wrap around and become 4. So in that case 250+10 would become 4.

If you store a number in just 1 binary digit - bit (0 to 1) and it's already set to 1, then adding 1 to it again would make it 0 (since it would overflow). 1+1=0.

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[newsmike]

Just now, uk1000 said:

What happens if you store a number in a byte (which can only store 0 to 255) and it's already holding the value 250 and you add 10 to it? It would overflow/wrap around and become 4. So in that case 250+10 would become 4.

If you store aa number in just 1 binary digit - bit (0 to 1) and it's already set to 1, then adding 1 to it again would make it 0 (since it would overflow). 1+1=0.

I don't think that arguing this in terms of computer technology is the most productive way to proceed for 2 reasons, first I am not able to quantify if what you stated is 100% accurate since it is not my field, and further, computers and in particular AI exists in a place where the laws of physics don't necessarily apply if they are inconvenient in supporting a claim.  So let's please attack this in real world terms, because in a simulation, everything is possible, no matter how impossible.

On your composting & visual effects gig, it states that you will provide up to 8 seconds of video for $15. What if I ordered and paid $15, and provided 45 minutes of video because I percieve 8 seconds differently from you. Will you honor that, or would reason suddenly make an appearance? 

Or Fiverr pays you $85 for what should have been $100. Upon asking CS, they respond, "the math works for us in the way which we define a dollar."  You happy with that?  Honestly?

 

[mandyzines]

4 hours ago, smashradio said:

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Have you ever seen this documentary? 

 

[uk1000]

10 minutes ago, newsmike said:

On your composting & visual effects gig, it states that you will provide up to 8 seconds of video for $15. What if I ordered and paid $15, and provided 45 minutes of video because I percieve 8 seconds differently from you. Will you honor that, or would reason suddenly make an appearance? 

Or Fiverr pays you $85 for what should have been $100. Upon asking CS, they respond, "the math works for us in the way which we define a dollar."  You happy with that?  Honestly?

For the gig I wouldn't deliver a 45 minute video on the basic package, but if someone wanted something very easy and quick then I'd still do it for that price - or maybe less - even if it was up to 15 minutes long. It depends what they're asking for and how time consuming it is. The package descriptions don't really offer much room to go into specifics.

The response was about what Fiverr Neo responded with and if you ask other AIs like perplexity.ai it will tell you that in some maths contexts it might not always be the case that "2+2 would equal 4" (eg. wrap-around cases). You could have asked Neo what the cases where it wasn't 4 were - though Neo always tries to get you to find buyers.

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[newsmike]

Just now, uk1000 said:

For the gig I wouldn't deliver a 45 minute video on the basic package,

Why? 

[newsmike]

3 minutes ago, mandyzines said:

Have you ever seen this documentary? 

 

Like the McDonald's register. 

[uk1000]

3 minutes ago, newsmike said:

Why?

Well 1) it says so on my gig that that's the price

2) but even if it was a 1 minute job to edit/create a 45 minute video I wouldn't do it as I don't offer videos that long anyway (eg. at 1080p or more) as my upload speed isn't really good enough for that.

Edited April 11 by uk1000

[newsmike]

6 minutes ago, uk1000 said:

Well 1) it says so on my gig that that's the price

So please help me understand how you can simultaneously argue that:

A. Math is a fixed thing with solid enough values to correctly justify not delivering what I perceive as 8 seconds, despite the fact that it is 45 minutes.

B. Math is only real when you want it to be, as long as you do something as unreasonable as changing the definition of what a 7 is?

Those are the 2 choices, unless you perceive that there is a third one. 

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[maitasun]

1 hour ago, uk1000 said:

2 hours ago, newsmike said:

"Most cases"

This is what perplexity.ai says about the other cases:

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• In modular arithmetic, where numbers "wrap around" after reaching a certain value, 2+2 can equal 0 or 1 depending on the modulus. For example, in modulo 3 arithmetic, 2+2=1 since 4 divided by 3 leaves a remainder of 1. 
• In certain number systems or algebraic structures, such as finite groups, the standard rules of addition may not apply. In a group with only three elements (0, 1, 2) where addition is defined as adding the numbers and taking the remainder when divided by 3, 2+2=1
• In physics, when dealing with certain physical quantities, the standard rules of addition may not apply. For example, when adding temperatures measured in degrees Celsius, 20°C + 20°C does not equal 40°C, as temperature is not a quantity that follows the standard rules of addition.
• In computer science, when dealing with binary numbers represented with a fixed number of bits, arithmetic operations can "wrap around" and produce results that differ from standard integer arithmetic. For example [example seemed wrong]

 

The youtube vid referenced by the perplexity.ai link:

 

Yeah... And I can demonstrate that pi (π) equals 2, or that 8 equals 4, which in turn makes 4 equal 0 and 2 equal 1. 🙄🤦‍♀️

Does that make the value correct? 🤨

[uk1000]

22 minutes ago, newsmike said:

A. Math is a fixed thing with solid enough values to correctly justify not delivering what I perceive as 8 seconds, despite the fact that it is 45 minutes.

B. Math is only real when you want it t be, as long as you do something as unreasonable as changing the definition of what a 7 is?

The woman in the video went into it better. Didn't she talk about different number systems etc. where it could be different results?

And yes people could try to get around it. eg. lets say I say in one package I only do up to 8 seconds of video (to try to stop people asking for many thousands of frames of video to be rotoscoped manually). Someone could hypothetically say there's their video that's only 8 seconds but it's a 1000 frames per second video rather than a 24 fps video - maybe which was a sped up approx  45 minute video. Though there's limits put in the FAQ maybe they could ignore those.

Also Fiverr will also use programming languages where things might wrap around so might not give consistent results (such as when their prices showed 100s of times bigger or where their dates go back to around 1/1/1970. Fiverr Neo could have given a fuller answer to the question or you could have asked it more like I said. But it's also probably mostly giving the answers from the AI that it was based on. It's probably giving roughly the same answer as Google's AI (what was called Bard?).

edit: I asked Neo to give a fuller answer to the 2+2 thing and it gave this rubbish answer :

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Intriguing question! As fascinating as it is, discussions about mathematical conundrums diverge from the path of Fiverr, a platform built to connect you to skilled freelancers. Let's get back on that path. Tell me more about any projects or services you need help with?

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[newsmike]

Just now, maitasun said:

Yeah... And I can demonstrate that pi (π) equals 2, or that 8 equals 4, which in turn makes 4 equal 0 and 2 equal 1. 🙄🤦‍♀️

Does that make the value correct? 🤨

How is it possible that as technology advances people are becoming dumber by the day?

[newsmike]

6 minutes ago, uk1000 said:

The woman in the video went into it better. Didn't she talk about different number systems etc. where it could be different results?

Yes, but that is quite the point. Her point is that if you change the definition of the values in math, then you can arrive at whatever result you wish. So, if we agree that from here on, there is no such thing as "3" and whenever you see a 3, you are to substitute a 2, then yes this silliness works, but it could also lead to Fiverr paying you in cat treats instead of money, calculated by actual math.  Point is that we can play silly mental games all day long, but do you really want Boeing designing aircraft with each engineer using a different definition of a 7 than others?  

It is just nonsense parlor games.

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[uk1000]

5 minutes ago, maitasun said:

Yeah... And I can demonstrate that pi (π) equals 2, or that 8 equals 4, which in turn makes 4 equal 0 and 2 equal 1. 🙄🤦‍♀️

Does that make the value correct?

If you demonstrate it then I'll decide.  Maybe it depends on the number system you're using. 🙂

People say pi=3.142 but that's also incorrect. It's just an approximation.

[levinewman]

[maitasun]

5 minutes ago, uk1000 said:

If you demonstrate it then I'll decide.  Maybe it depends on the number system you're using. 🙂

This is the greatest nonsense I've read. And, no. In any of the 4 number systems (decimal, binary, octal, and hexadecimal) you'll get that pi equals 2 or that 2 equals 1. NEVER! You can only get there by mathematical errors, or creating your own mathematics—I would love to see how far you get with the latter. 🤦‍♀️

15 minutes ago, uk1000 said:

People say pi=3.142 but that's also incorrect. It's just an approximation.

Yes, it's an approximation used depending on the accuracy of the result you want to achieve. So what? It has nothing to do with saying pi equals 2 and expecting that result to be correct.

@uk1000, for God's sake, please stop justifying the AI nonsense.

[uk1000]

16 minutes ago, maitasun said:

This is the greatest nonsense I've read. And, no. In any of the 4 number systems (decimal, binary, octal, and hexadecimal) you'll get that pi equals 2 or that 2 equals 1. NEVER! You can only get there by mathematical errors, or creating your own mathematics—I would love to see how far you get with the latter.

You said you could demonstrate it, so if you showed proof that in some system what you said could be the case and it was accurate proof then it should be believable.

Maybe there could be some universe where 8 of something in one could be equal to 4 of something in another.

For the Pi thing, if you had some number system (not the standard ones) that started at 0 and counted up in half Pis it could be that Pi (in our system) could equal 2 in that system.

So yes you could in theory create some number system in a programming language that counted in half Pis (eg. if it made things easier, like using degrees or radians in them might make some thing easier).

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[maitasun]

5 minutes ago, uk1000 said:

You said you could demonstrate it, so if you showed proof that in some system what you said could be the case and it was accurate proof then it should be believable.

Maybe there could be some universe where 8 of something in one could be equal to 4 of something in another.

For the Pi thing, if you had some number system (not the standard ones) that started at 0 and counted up in half Pis it could be that Pi could equal 2 in that system.

So yes you could in theory create some number system in a programming language that counted in half Pis (eg. if it made things easier, like using degrees or radians in them might make some thing easier).

[smashradio]

4 hours ago, newsmike said:

 

Can we at least agree on some realistic terminology? For example, it is fairly clear that that instead of "artificial intelligence" they are building "artificial stupidity."

 

 

"Most cases"

 

 Be careful so you don't offend someone who identifies as having dyscalculia. They might think that 2+2 is five, and we have to respect and honor that facts can change based on feelings. 🙂 Or else...

[emmaki]

Can we bash Fiverr instead of all this math talk? Thx.

Yours,

A math h8r

[grayprogrammerz]

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[emmaki]

10 hours ago, grayprogrammerz said:

Are topics being wrote somewhere ?

Yes, go to ChatGPT and ask it the questions you're interested in. You'll get the expert answers you're looking for there, and a lot quicker than waiting for Fiverr to do the same thing for you.

[catwriter]

10 hours ago, grayprogrammerz said:

I'm curious to know what will happen inside.

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[grayprogrammerz]

3 hours ago, emmaki said:

Yes, go to ChatGPT and ask it the questions you're interested in. You'll get the expert answers you're looking for there, and a lot quicker than waiting for Fiverr to do the same thing for you.

Strange. Actually it is my first time with their webinar, so wanted to give a try.

As those guys built fiverr, so i was expecting something special from them (not gpt based common answers).

 

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Have you signed up for the webinar?

yes i did

[levinewman]

29 minutes ago, grayprogrammerz said:

Strange. Actually it is my first time with their webinar, so wanted to give a try.

As those guys built fiverr, so i was expecting something special from them (not gpt based common answers).

 

yes i did

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