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Resellers ask for samples, not just to show potential clients as to what the seller is providing, but to pass off as their own work. I’ve had them admit it. They will go as far as to go round different sellers gathering up samples then passing them off as their own. This is also why you get some resellers asking for modification after modification. Because they have obtained samples, cannot remember who they got what from, and then when they get back their order its different from whatever sample they are looking at. This isn’t conjecture. This is a fact as I’ve had people pull out samples after delivery and claim what I have done is different. It’s different Captain obvious because its not mine . Then the icing on the cake comes when they say “well, can you do this then”

Some people will ask for samples with NO intention of placing an order. What they will do with it is take it round different sellers and ask “can you do this”. This is why you may sometimes find buyers asking for things outside the scope of the gig description. They are just going round copying and pasting what they want to find the lowest possible price. When you ask questions with regards to what they are asking for they usually say they, ‘dont know’ because they have no clue as to what they are looking at, but hey, someone else is selling for a good price so it must be good. Sometimes its clear who they have got the samples from. In one case I had some fool show me my own work from a customer asking me how much I charge to do it. When I pointed this out he even tried to claim it was his work and his customer. you can’t fix stupid

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some buyers will ask you for samples and refuse to work with you if you provide them.I’ve had customers ask for samples on very high value orders. When I’ve said no and stated why they have said that is what they wanted to hear. Buyers do not want their sites, their work and what they are doing waved around for all to see.

I’ve learnt asking for samples is pointless. The hard way . From a buyers perspective. Well before Fiverr was a thing, I used to buy articles. Lots of them. Every day on a different platform. I found out very quickly that samples have very little relationship to what is ordered. sellers were getting people to write articles for them and providing them as samples. what was delivered in some cases came from a parallel universe where grammar and English does not exist as we know it. In one case, which I will never forget, what I received was terrible quality. I had the seller claim someone had hacked into their e-mail account and written the article and sent it to me. Another seller kept delaying the articles saying their uncle had died the week before. I gave them a couple of weeks and asked if they are able to do them or wished to cancel the order. Their response was, my uncle died yesterday. I asked them if their uncle was a zombie and promptly got a refund.

Asking for samples is pointless. The most representative sample you can get is by communicating with the seller about what you require. If they cannot string a coherent sentence together, or sound like they just stumbled out of a crack house, or do not appear to know much about what you require, that is going to tell you more than any sample could.

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Resellers ask for samples, not just to show potential clients as to what the seller is providing, but to pass off as their own work. I’ve had them admit it. They will go as far as to go round different sellers gathering up samples then passing them off as their own. This is also why you get some resellers asking for modification after modification. Because they have obtained samples, cannot remember who they got what from, and then when they get back their order its different from whatever sample they are looking at. This isn’t conjecture. This is a fact as I’ve had people pull out samples after delivery and claim what I have done is different. It’s different Captain obvious because its not mine . Then the icing on the cake comes when they say “well, can you do this then”

Some people will ask for samples with NO intention of placing an order. What they will do with it is take it round different sellers and ask “can you do this”. This is why you may sometimes find buyers asking for things outside the scope of the gig description. They are just going round copying and pasting what they want to find the lowest possible price. When you ask questions with regards to what they are asking for they usually say they, ‘dont know’ because they have no clue as to what they are looking at, but hey, someone else is selling for a good price so it must be good. Sometimes its clear who they have got the samples from. In one case I had some fool show me my own work from a customer asking me how much I charge to do it. When I pointed this out he even tried to claim it was his work and his customer. you can’t fix stupid

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“Sellers Who Give Samples, Don’t Care about Copyright or Client Confidentiality”

some buyers will ask you for samples and refuse to work with you if you provide them.I’ve had customers ask for samples on very high value orders. When I’ve said no and stated why they have said that is what they wanted to hear. Buyers do not want their sites, their work and what they are doing waved around for all to see.

I’ve learnt asking for samples is pointless. The hard way . From a buyers perspective. Well before Fiverr was a thing, I used to buy articles. Lots of them. Every day on a different platform. I found out very quickly that samples have very little relationship to what is ordered. sellers were getting people to write articles for them and providing them as samples. what was delivered in some cases came from a parallel universe where grammar and English does not exist as we know it. In one case, which I will never forget, what I received was terrible quality. I had the seller claim someone had hacked into their e-mail account and written the article and sent it to me. Another seller kept delaying the articles saying their uncle had died the week before. I gave them a couple of weeks and asked if they are able to do them or wished to cancel the order. Their response was, my uncle died yesterday. I asked them if their uncle was a zombie and promptly got a refund.

Asking for samples is pointless. The most representative sample you can get is by communicating with the seller about what you require. If they cannot string a coherent sentence together, or sound like they just stumbled out of a crack house, or do not appear to know much about what you require, that is going to tell you more than any sample could.

I’ve learnt asking for samples is pointless. The hard way . From a buyers perspective. Well before Fiverr was a thing, I used to buy articles. Lots of them. Every day on a different platform. I found out very quickly that samples have very little relationship to what is ordered.

Thank you. This is perhaps how I should have summarized my post. I have had a similar experience, though, not ordering written content. I ordered a voice over just after Christmas from another freelancing platform.

The person I ordered from had hundreds of reviews and was the equivalent of a TRS. That said, I ordered from them because of the quality of their samples and the fact that they were Amerian. What I eventually got back was a VO in a British accent which sounded like it had been recorded on a potato.

After a bit of digging, I realized they were outsourcing most (if not all) of their work. In this case, the samples I had listened to meant absolutely nothing.

The scammer/reseller issue is, of course, the main reason why I am reluctant to give out samples. However, you have also reminded me of my first ever bad experience with a reseller.

Some people will ask for samples with NO intention of placing an order. What they will do with it is take it round different sellers and ask “can you do this”.

On my old portfolio site, I had an example sales copy for a bespoke online jewelry store. Back in 2015, just after I started on Fiverr, someone placed a $5 order, sent me this article, and asked that I rewrite it in a way to make it relevant for their business.

I had never (knowingly) communicated with this person previously. In this case, I assumed that they were someone who had asked me for samples previously. They had got a sample, kept it on file, then forgotten where they got it from and ordered from me using a different account. The cheek!

Of course, not all people who ask for samples are like this. However, as a seller, there is no way to identify who is asking for samples for legitimate reasons and who isn’t.

I’ve had customers ask for samples on very high value orders. When I’ve said no and stated why they have said that is what they wanted to hear.

I’ve had this exact experience. People whom I refuse to give samples but who return and order from me anyway, are always people who I politely tell why I don’t offer samples. While I can’t quantify it, I assume that this is because they value my honesty and/or later end up being let down by sellers who do provide samples.

All that said, I stopped offering samples completely on Fiverr, due to people asking for specific samples. I could have a person ask for health and fitness article samples. I would send them a link to a diet and nutrition book I have published on Amazon. Then, though, they would ask for a sample in a different tone or which targeted an even more specific niche.

Naturally, you are going to lose some buyers by not offering samples. However, I’m fine with that if it lets me avoid timewasters, a few unscrupulous resellers, and people I might just not be a good match for.

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You can also put two pdf versions of your work in your gig image gallery. And you can deliver with an image of a portion of the work done so it shows up with the buyer review. Another thing that would be helpful is if Fiverr had a way for writers to create a little portfolio like graphic designers can. I have seen it done for writers on other sites.

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Anyone CAN create samples for the purpose of having the samples and CAN prove legitimacy by posting said samples on personal website.

Yes, but sadly not everyone CAN READ. Nor (apparently) can everyone say why they do not agree with someone else, while clearly and succinctly listing their reasons.

It is clear to me, that you may have a rudimentary understanding of human psychology. "Wait a minute," a little light in your subconscious has said. "If we try to insinuate that the OP and anyone like him who doesn’t give samples is a talentless crook, we’ll be able to shamelessly self-promote ourselves in the process!"

It’s a nice try, but it’s very predictable and very poorly executed. You failed the second you used caps and started shouting like a child having a tantrum.

It is very good that you offer samples. I too would want to see some if I was ordering from you. 😉

It’s a nice try, but it’s very predictable and very poorly executed. You failed the second you used caps and started shouting like a child having a tantrum.

It is very good that you offer samples. I too would want to see some if I was ordering from you. 😉

Hahaha, you are a funny man. Good luck with your attempt at educating buyers how awesome/victim you are that you don’t need to provide samples.

After you succeed with this, go at the design category as well, and preach about how designers don’t need to have a portfolio because they have reviews.

Maybe you will succeed even convincing Amazon to sell products without showing pictures! Think about it. Selling products without images, using just reviews. That will be amazing!

Except it won’t be, and you wouldn’t survive a day outside Fiverr with this mentality. 🙂

Just because some people abuse the sample system, some people cheat and some people want very specific things that a portfolio isn’t supposed to provide, that doesn’t mean that all sellers should drop portfolios and all buyers should stop asking for samples.

Maybe you should find better ways of getting over bad clients and bad experiences in general. The world doesn’t suck if you know how to deal with it. Get better and life will be better.

Good luck to you.

I would participate in this conversation longer but I am too busy reaping the rewards of publishing a ton of free content out there and not having to explain to my clients why I don’t have a portfolio.

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PS: The “arrogant victim” mentality is the one that is predictable and way too common these days.

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It’s a nice try, but it’s very predictable and very poorly executed. You failed the second you used caps and started shouting like a child having a tantrum.

It is very good that you offer samples. I too would want to see some if I was ordering from you. 😉

Hahaha, you are a funny man. Good luck with your attempt at educating buyers how awesome/victim you are that you don’t need to provide samples.

After you succeed with this, go at the design category as well, and preach about how designers don’t need to have a portfolio because they have reviews.

Maybe you will succeed even convincing Amazon to sell products without showing pictures! Think about it. Selling products without images, using just reviews. That will be amazing!

Except it won’t be, and you wouldn’t survive a day outside Fiverr with this mentality. 🙂

Just because some people abuse the sample system, some people cheat and some people want very specific things that a portfolio isn’t supposed to provide, that doesn’t mean that all sellers should drop portfolios and all buyers should stop asking for samples.

Maybe you should find better ways of getting over bad clients and bad experiences in general. The world doesn’t suck if you know how to deal with it. Get better and life will be better.

Good luck to you.

I would participate in this conversation longer but I am too busy reaping the rewards of publishing a ton of free content out there and not having to explain to my clients why I don’t have a portfolio.

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PS: The “arrogant victim” mentality is the one that is predictable and way too common these days.

I would participate in this conversation longer but I am too busy reaping the rewards of publishing a ton of free content out there and not having to explain to my clients why I don’t have a portfolio.

If that’s the same free content on your blog, you might reap more rewards by having some of it proofread. 😉

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Hey @cyaxrex !! I have a suggestion for you. I saw your article writing skill from this post and you know it’s awesome. You should probably buy a domain like firstorderonfiverr.com (I haven’t checked if it’s still available ) and you can publish blog posts about several topics there and then we will all also redirect all people to your website who ask on fiverr forum for ::-
“HELP ME TO GET MY FIRST ORDER”
In this way, you can promote your gigs, rank on google and probably earn some passive income

This was just an idea, though 😆

And do not forget to tell me that you liked it or not 😂

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As a writer, I would like to give my input as well.

I totally understand your POV, but I don’t agree with you.

For this discussion, I exclude stubborn clients that don’t know how to treat people, because they are not worth the time. Let’s talk about legitimate people that are looking to find a good writer.

Having REAL samples to show a buyer is more than proving one’s quality. It also shows the style and how the writer adapts to the topic overall. A text sample says much more about a seller than we can imagine.

How would you recognize the quality of Picasso or Beethoven without seeing or listening to things they’ve created before?

Like it or not, people are admired for their work, for what they create. A legitimate sample tells more than 30 reviews can.

What you should do as a buyer? You simply go with the fact people like them and that some virtual freelancing platform is “guaranteeing” you will get what you ordered? I hardly doubt there are guarantees here.

In fact, if you get a low-quality article, the best you can do is leave a 1-star review. That doesn’t bring back the money spend or time wasted.

What you are asking for is kind of blind faith, don’t you think? And not all creators are suited for everyone! There are different styles for different folks.

I don’t say that writers should breach copyright terms and show samples they’ve done for others! No, definitively not.

But everyone can create samples FOR the purpose of sharing them with their clients. I don’t think it’s that hard to create 5 or so articles on the niches you cover to showcase your style, that you can publish on your blog to avoid stealing from clients.

This is NOT working for free or copyright infringement.

Consider that you lose much more time trying to explain why you don’t have samples than you could have lost creating samples. Not to mention people that turn away from this kind of attitude, myself included.

When I hire writers (on rare occasions), I do ask for samples. That gives me insight on more than the quality of the writer. I can see if they breach copyright agreements or not, and I can see if they give importance to having a beautiful portfolio or not. It shows me their style, their discipline, and how good they are.

Would you hire a designer without seeing things they’ve designed before?

Would you hire a musician without listening to music they did before?

Would you hire a web developer without seeing websites they did before?

Would you hire a home decorator without seeing what they’ve decorated before?

If no, why a piece of text should be treated differently?

After all, writing is an art, even if people consider it like this or not.

If I would be your buyer, you would basically ask me to have blind faith in you and assume that you are fit for me just because you have good reviews. Tons of people like the Kardashians, that doesn’t mean I like them too.

What if you’d have your own website? Do you think you could have got away with the fact that you don’t provide samples of your work?

Reviews improve the odds of getting an order, but they are not a guarantee. And they are not always a good reflection of the quality provided.

At least, that’s my opinion. 🙂

That’s a good point. Nowadays I refer buyers asking for samples to my blog where there are hundreds of posts to sift through!

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Hello, I am roo. I’ve been given the impression there are a lot of scammers on this website. Is there a filter I can use for that? grin

I’ve also heard that a lot of the users that may contact me do not speak English very well. That’s a new one for me so I’ll watch for that.

I use Disqus on Bitchute. I’ve always been a commenter on websites I inhabit. I’ve been on a lot of creative websites, not websites for making money.

To any real writer out there, I’d tell that potential customer to look you up on places where you do your commenting. The customer can get a ‘sample’ of how you write–and, how you think and interact–by doing that.

But beyond that, remember: you are being paid to write. Don’t waste words on penny-pinchers.

roo

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Hello, I am roo. I’ve been given the impression there are a lot of scammers on this website. Is there a filter I can use for that? grin

I’ve also heard that a lot of the users that may contact me do not speak English very well. That’s a new one for me so I’ll watch for that.

I use Disqus on Bitchute. I’ve always been a commenter on websites I inhabit. I’ve been on a lot of creative websites, not websites for making money.

To any real writer out there, I’d tell that potential customer to look you up on places where you do your commenting. The customer can get a ‘sample’ of how you write–and, how you think and interact–by doing that.

But beyond that, remember: you are being paid to write. Don’t waste words on penny-pinchers.

roo

Succinct and concise…

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Good post. It is true that many buyers request samples, but I do refuse because of the copyright issue. I politely request them to have a look at my feedback and reviews, and if you feel that these reviews are earned, please give me a chance to work. I cannot share any samples.

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Resellers ask for samples, not just to show potential clients as to what the seller is providing, but to pass off as their own work. I’ve had them admit it. They will go as far as to go round different sellers gathering up samples then passing them off as their own. This is also why you get some resellers asking for modification after modification. Because they have obtained samples, cannot remember who they got what from, and then when they get back their order its different from whatever sample they are looking at. This isn’t conjecture. This is a fact as I’ve had people pull out samples after delivery and claim what I have done is different. It’s different Captain obvious because its not mine . Then the icing on the cake comes when they say “well, can you do this then”

Some people will ask for samples with NO intention of placing an order. What they will do with it is take it round different sellers and ask “can you do this”. This is why you may sometimes find buyers asking for things outside the scope of the gig description. They are just going round copying and pasting what they want to find the lowest possible price. When you ask questions with regards to what they are asking for they usually say they, ‘dont know’ because they have no clue as to what they are looking at, but hey, someone else is selling for a good price so it must be good. Sometimes its clear who they have got the samples from. In one case I had some fool show me my own work from a customer asking me how much I charge to do it. When I pointed this out he even tried to claim it was his work and his customer. you can’t fix stupid

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“Sellers Who Give Samples, Don’t Care about Copyright or Client Confidentiality”

some buyers will ask you for samples and refuse to work with you if you provide them.I’ve had customers ask for samples on very high value orders. When I’ve said no and stated why they have said that is what they wanted to hear. Buyers do not want their sites, their work and what they are doing waved around for all to see.

I’ve learnt asking for samples is pointless. The hard way . From a buyers perspective. Well before Fiverr was a thing, I used to buy articles. Lots of them. Every day on a different platform. I found out very quickly that samples have very little relationship to what is ordered. sellers were getting people to write articles for them and providing them as samples. what was delivered in some cases came from a parallel universe where grammar and English does not exist as we know it. In one case, which I will never forget, what I received was terrible quality. I had the seller claim someone had hacked into their e-mail account and written the article and sent it to me. Another seller kept delaying the articles saying their uncle had died the week before. I gave them a couple of weeks and asked if they are able to do them or wished to cancel the order. Their response was, my uncle died yesterday. I asked them if their uncle was a zombie and promptly got a refund.

Asking for samples is pointless. The most representative sample you can get is by communicating with the seller about what you require. If they cannot string a coherent sentence together, or sound like they just stumbled out of a crack house, or do not appear to know much about what you require, that is going to tell you more than any sample could.

Totally agree with what you’re saying. What amazes me is that some buyers want samples of proofreading. Again, scam sellers could buy a proofreading gig from any proofreader and then present the results as their own. I’ve never used samples anyway because I don’t really think my clients want any of their work displayed on the Internet.

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Oh wow! This is explicit. I think some of the people arguing in favour of samples aren’t considering the fact that a lot of us don’t just write blog posts and articles? We write personal letters and pitches that are supposed to be about the private lives and businesses of our buyers. I quite agree with this author wholeheartedly.

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Just found this. Very good.

Ditto for music. Except any Mix Engineer should have a Portfolio work of songs they Mixed they can show so asking them to do unpaid test work is equally unprofessional. Especially seeing “just a minute of my song” takes as long to do as the whole song which is 4-6 hours at least. More often 8-10 hours.

The Mix isn’t done until it is done. Show any decent (and honest) Mix Engineer your rough mix mp3 and they can advise probable outcomes. This is how you get to know your Engineer and what you can expect. Hint, anyone who suggests that you will get a Grammy Winning Hit is a big filthy fibber; e.g. Quincy Jones initially thought Michael Jackson’s “Billie Jean” was a bust.

Talk to the Mix Engineer just a bit - after listening to their work - and understand how they think as that is far more important than if they mixed something that sounds exactly like your song as in most cases, the wrong type of engineer will make every single song sound exactly the same - big fail for you when you want your song to be unique.

I make a series of video where I show a Mix Before & After (unless it is a commercial work) and then talk through all the decisions I made and Why. Anyone who can’t see if I am suitable after looking at even the Final Mix (10:30 in this one) is not suited to me.

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Unless they’ve asked those clients for the permission to use the specific piece as a sample.

I did it a few times, and now I have a few samples to show to buyers. Sometimes those samples help, sometimes not.

I have done this too. However, given the likes of GDPR and new copyright laws, I would argue that it is also important to remember to redact any mention in such articles of specific brands and businesses.

Also, I’m not comfortable with this myself, due to the fact that a lot of people who do ask for samples, do so with the express intent of stealing content.

Like @maitasun, I have been burned by people like this in the past. The most recent case involved a person who did order from me after I send them a link to my blog, but who also copied several articles from my blog to use on their own. (I’m guessing it was not really theirs but a site which belonged to their client.)

I don’t feel comfortable asking buyers if I can use their work in my portfolio for this reason. That said, when I do source samples this way, I do occasionally use them when applying to other writing platforms which ask for writing samples, or which allow users to upload samples into protected areas where they can not be copied or downloaded.

remember to redact any mention in such articles of specific brands and businesses

An excellent point! 🙂

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