Being permanently banned because my citizenship is Iranian

[fastcopywriter]

I’m glad to hear you’re still going to get the money you have earned.

P.S. If you ever open an account again (after the 90 days, after getting your money), I recommending using something that’s memorable. Artist66 or DrunkenPainter, it should be related with what you do.

When I see m4hdyar, I have no idea how to pronounce it. I suppose I would have to call you Mr. M.

[thelvm]

I’m glad to hear you’re still going to get the money you have earned.

P.S. If you ever open an account again (after the 90 days, after getting your money), I recommending using something that’s memorable. Artist66 or DrunkenPainter, it should be related with what you do.

When I see m4hdyar, I have no idea how to pronounce it. I suppose I would have to call you Mr. M.

As far as I know you can not make a second account on fiverr after getting banned.

[misscrystal]

OP what country was showing on your profile? Uk?

What country shows on your passport? Turkey? Iran?

[misscrystal]

A little off-topic… sorry. 🙃

They don’t accept authors from the US? How very interesting! :thinking:

They don’t accept authors from the US? How very interesting! :thinking:

I assumed it was because many in the U.S. speak and write in a dialect not recognized as proper English, and not understood widely even in much of the U.S.

[cyaxrex]

They don’t accept authors from the US? How very interesting! :thinking:

I assumed it was because many in the U.S. speak and write in a dialect not recognized as proper English, and not understood widely even in much of the U.S.

I assumed it was because many in the U.S. speak and write in a dialect not recognized as proper English, and not understood widely even in much of the U.S.

Sorry, what was that? 😉

[vickiespencer]

OP what country was showing on your profile? Uk?

What country shows on your passport? Turkey? Iran?

OP what country was showing on your profile?

I was wondering the same thing? :thinking:

[maitasun]

OP what country was showing on your profile? Uk?

What country shows on your passport? Turkey? Iran?

OP what country was showing on your profile?

I was wondering the same thing? :thinking:

From what is written in the first post, I infer it was showing Turkey.

[frank_d]

I think the title should be edited because it implies a racial issue but that’s not the case here.

What the OP is dealing with here is an unfortunate byproduct of all the scamming that used to take place before the ID verification system.

People from all over the world were sporting a US flag and male sellers tried to pass off as blondes with mini skirts.

So now Fiverr straight up compares official documents and location and a mismatch is not allowed.

However I do think there’s a chance they would listen to reason as they do ask sellers who plan on relocating to inform fiverr staff beforehand, so there must be provisions in place for that sort of thing (manual actions need to be taken vs the ban which seems to be automated)

[fastcopywriter]

I think the title should be edited because it implies a racial issue but that’s not the case here.

What the OP is dealing with here is an unfortunate byproduct of all the scamming that used to take place before the ID verification system.

People from all over the world were sporting a US flag and male sellers tried to pass off as blondes with mini skirts.

So now Fiverr straight up compares official documents and location and a mismatch is not allowed.

However I do think there’s a chance they would listen to reason as they do ask sellers who plan on relocating to inform fiverr staff beforehand, so there must be provisions in place for that sort of thing (manual actions need to be taken vs the ban which seems to be automated)

I think the title should be edited because it implies a racial issue but that’s not the case here.

You mean nationality issue, not a race issue. Nationality is not race.

[m4hdyar]

Hi @m4hdyar

Are you allowed to reside in Turkey without any type of permit? If not, maybe it could be useful for you to attach, along with your credentials, the permit given to you by the turkish authority (which would have your personal data and photo) to the message you would send to CS.

Are you allowed to reside in Turkey without any type of permit? If not, maybe it could be useful for you to attach, along with your credentials, the permit given to you by the turkish authority (which would have your personal data and photo) to the message you would send to CS.

@maitasun Now they say because your nationality is Iranian we can’t continue with you

OP what country was showing on your profile? Uk?

What country shows on your passport? Turkey? Iran?

@misscrystal @vickiespencer On my Profile it was Turkey and in my Passport it is Iran.

[m4hdyar]

I think the title should be edited because it implies a racial issue but that’s not the case here.

What the OP is dealing with here is an unfortunate byproduct of all the scamming that used to take place before the ID verification system.

People from all over the world were sporting a US flag and male sellers tried to pass off as blondes with mini skirts.

So now Fiverr straight up compares official documents and location and a mismatch is not allowed.

However I do think there’s a chance they would listen to reason as they do ask sellers who plan on relocating to inform fiverr staff beforehand, so there must be provisions in place for that sort of thing (manual actions need to be taken vs the ban which seems to be automated)

@cyaxrex Thank you for your helps and understanding.

I think the title should be edited because it implies a racial issue but that’s not the case here.

@frank_d Now the Support said clearly it is because you are Iranian. It’s not fair , they say because you born in Iran we never work with you. Look at screenshot number 10. It is absolutely racism.

Continue of my chat with support…

[m4hdyar]

Now the Support said clearly it is because you are Iranian. It’s not fair , they say because you born in Iran we never work with you. Look at screenshot number 10

Possibly this is due to trade sanctions on Iran by the U.S. and Israel where Fiverr operates. That said, if you wanted to seek legal advice, you may have a case if indeed, Fiverr does not explicitly state that it does not serve certain nationalities.

Sadly, in either case, it looks like you are out for good. Possibly, you might want to look into the Estonian e-residency scheme targeted at freelancers which I mentioned earlier. There is a link which explains it more fully here:

European Freelancers Week – 8 Oct 18

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Today we’ve chatted with Alex Wellman, Head of Marketing at e-Residency to understand the benefits for freelancers to apply for […]

I don’t know much about it. However, I do know that the scheme also serves non-EU countries. Also, I don’t mean that you should use this advice as a means of circumventing Fiverrs ban. It may just come in Handy with your future endeavors.

Alternatively, if you have the right to abode in the UK or Turkey permanently (or at least long-term), you should be able to apply for a UK or Turkish driving license.

All in all, this is an awful and very unfair situation to be in. I’m very sorry for what has happened. However, make sure to not let it get you down. Instead, try and look into other opportunities on other sites. Maybe also look at where those sites are based and what their ID verification requirements are before starting work. (This may mean messaging CS departments in advance of creating an account.)

Sorry, this didn’t work out. 😦

@cyaxrex Thank you for your advice, I will read that.

About US sanctions , It’s pressure is on ordinary people in Iran and I think it’s not fair too, but what Fiverr here did , It’s 10 times worse than US sanctions. US sanctions say you shouldn’t work with everyone who brings the money to Iran or located in Iran.

What Fiverr say is you can’t work with any Iranian. If every company thought like them then all Iranians that relocate to other countries should die because no one work with them. It is not the way US sanctions work.

I also worked with other freelancer websites, some of them want documents that I’m in Turkey. Even PayPal that is very strict works with me…

[m4hdyar]

Possibly this is due to trade sanctions on Iran by the U.S. and Israel where Fiverr operates.

I think you nailed it. They may not care where he really lives. --from The Times of Israel

Netanyahu lauds US decision to end waivers on Iran oil sanctions

@misscrystal Then why it’s not in there ToS + US sanctions does not affect Iranian in other countries, You can search. I’ve worked with many other companies in the US and outside US.

[misscrystal]

@misscrystal Then why it’s not in there ToS + US sanctions does not affect Iranian in other countries, You can search. I’ve worked with many other companies in the US and outside US.

US and Israel seem to be in agreement on this. It’s not in other countries because it’s just a US and Israeli policy. They can’t put things like this in the TOS, and anyway we are just speculating. Who really knows?

Op please don’t keep hounding CS about this. I’m sorry this happened to you but it won’t do any good to keep pressing them.

[m4hdyar]

US and Israel seem to be in agreement on this. It’s not in other countries because it’s just a US and Israeli policy. They can’t put things like this in the TOS, and anyway we are just speculating. Who really knows?

Op please don’t keep hounding CS about this. I’m sorry this happened to you but it won’t do any good to keep pressing them.

@misscrystal Toptal is in Silicon Valley, They asked me my documentations, Asked me that am I going to Iran ? and then they let me continue my application process.

PS : If you read other companies ToS you will see they putted things like this in it. For example freelancer or Toptal or Peopleperhour ToS.

[misscrystal]

@misscrystal Toptal is in Silicon Valley, They asked me my documentations, Asked me that am I going to Iran ? and then they let me continue my application process.

PS : If you read other companies ToS you will see they putted things like this in it. For example freelancer or Toptal or Peopleperhour ToS.

I don’t know why companies do what they do. I’m just guessing. One company does one thing and another company does another thing. Or it might have zero to do with anything, they just did it because your ID doesn’t match your location.

Silicon Valley is different from Israel also. There are millions of Iranians in the US.

Should we be talking about this? Or maybe there is more that we don’t know. All we can do is guess.

[cyaxrex]

I don’t know why companies do what they do. I’m just guessing. One company does one thing and another company does another thing. Or it might have zero to do with anything, they just did it because your ID doesn’t match your location.

Silicon Valley is different from Israel also. There are millions of Iranians in the US.

Should we be talking about this? Or maybe there is more that we don’t know. All we can do is guess.

Or it might have zero to do with anything, they just did it because your ID doesn’t match your location.

Yeah, and hence again it all comes back to a transparency issue. This situation could have been completely avoided if Fiverr had posted clear notice of ID verification requirements and barred nationalities upfront. Instead, they have let a user waste time working when they could have just passed over Fiverr and focused their energy on more sustainable endeavors.

I can think of reasons why Fiverr might not want to let details like blacklists for certain countries or the need for ID documents to match countries where users are located out of the bag, However, I can can also see a pretty huge negative PR storm brewing because of such obfuscation also… :thinking:

I mean what if Wyclef Jean only has his Haitian passport on hand when he gets asked to verify his identity?

This has been a recurring issue for over a year now. It really is a bit of a joke how there are still any questions at all concerning ID verification.

[misscrystal]

Or it might have zero to do with anything, they just did it because your ID doesn’t match your location.

Yeah, and hence again it all comes back to a transparency issue. This situation could have been completely avoided if Fiverr had posted clear notice of ID verification requirements and barred nationalities upfront. Instead, they have let a user waste time working when they could have just passed over Fiverr and focused their energy on more sustainable endeavors.

I can think of reasons why Fiverr might not want to let details like blacklists for certain countries or the need for ID documents to match countries where users are located out of the bag, However, I can can also see a pretty huge negative PR storm brewing because of such obfuscation also… :thinking:

I mean what if Wyclef Jean only has his Haitian passport on hand when he gets asked to verify his identity?

This has been a recurring issue for over a year now. It really is a bit of a joke how there are still any questions at all concerning ID verification.

But I can can also see a pretty huge negative PR storm brewing because of such obfuscation also…

I don’t see that coming. Fiverr can ban who it wants. It is a private company and doesn’t have to explain why it banned someone at all. And this isn’t like that voice actor who was so well known. There might even be things we don’t know about.

[m4hdyar]

I don’t know why companies do what they do. I’m just guessing. One company does one thing and another company does another thing. Or it might have zero to do with anything, they just did it because your ID doesn’t match your location.

Silicon Valley is different from Israel also. There are millions of Iranians in the US.

Should we be talking about this? Or maybe there is more that we don’t know. All we can do is guess.

@misscrystal There are Iranians in Israel too, Sanctions are for government not for ordinary people. What Fiverr does in this case is called “RACISM”, If you are OK with that then yes you don’t care, BTW It is illegal in many countries, like UK and many other countries that Fiverr is working in them I think I should open case…

Don’t say I don’t know why companies do what they do, Do not let big companies make decision for you and do what they want!

[misscrystal]

@misscrystal There are Iranians in Israel too, Sanctions are for government not for ordinary people. What Fiverr does in this case is called “RACISM”, If you are OK with that then yes you don’t care, BTW It is illegal in many countries, like UK and many other countries that Fiverr is working in them I think I should open case…

Don’t say I don’t know why companies do what they do, Do not let big companies make decision for you and do what they want!

Don’t say I don’t know why companies do what they do, Do not let big companies make decision for you and do what they want!

Why are you arguing with me about all this?

[cyaxrex]

But I can can also see a pretty huge negative PR storm brewing because of such obfuscation also…

I don’t see that coming. Fiverr can ban who it wants. It is a private company and doesn’t have to explain why it banned someone at all. And this isn’t like that voice actor who was so well known. There might even be things we don’t know about.

I don’t see that coming. Fiverr can ban who it wants.

And that’s part of the reason why it still has such a dog eared reputation among non-Fiverr freelancers.

It costs nothing to be open and transparent. When people and organizations aren’t, it’s usually because they do fear some kind of backlash.

[misscrystal]

I don’t see that coming. Fiverr can ban who it wants.

And that’s part of the reason why it still has such a dog eared reputation among non-Fiverr freelancers.

It costs nothing to be open and transparent. When people and organizations aren’t, it’s usually because they do fear some kind of backlash.

I don’t think they care too much about what people think about this person being banned. You’re making too much out of it.

[m4hdyar]

I don’t think they care too much about what people think about this person being banned. You’re making too much out of it.

I don’t think they care too much about what people think about this person being banned. You’re making too much out of it.

It is not about one person being banned It is about racism in the context of nationality, It is about wrong process that can affect many other people.(If other people are important for us)

[cyaxrex]

I don’t think they care too much about what people think about this person being banned. You’re making too much out of it.

You’re making too much out of it.

Not really. I would like to know if I may not be able to work on Fiverr, if I decide to live elsewhere. It’s a pretty big issue for a lot of sellers. Some kind of official guidelines or statement is simply a reasonable thing to expect. - Regardless of who a person is, what they do, or where they are from.

[misscrystal]

You’re making too much out of it.

Not really. I would like to know if I may not be able to work on Fiverr, if I decide to live elsewhere. It’s a pretty big issue for a lot of sellers. Some kind of official guidelines or statement is simply a reasonable thing to expect. - Regardless of who a person is, what they do, or where they are from.

People tell fiverr when they change countries and fiverr is fine with that. What happened in this case isn’t something that we know all the details about. That’s what I meant by “making too much of this”. I meant this particular case. This seller being banned isn’t going to result in bad PR.