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6 minutes ago, donnovan86 said:
Clearly they won't, since they are doubling down on it.
I think they agreed to reword the 1 question of value for the money as a demonstration that they are listening, for the optics of it. The rest will steamroll as planned. The giveaway was the first line that touted. "we want you to know that we value your input and have been working to actively address your questions and concerns"
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Just now, cucinavivace said:
You quoted and replied to me saying "But, if you're approaching new buyers asking them to pay $5 for a gig and $95 for a tip, you are just asking to end up with $5 total on that job. LOL" So that is in fact what I was talking about. 🙂
Don't sweat it. It's a conversation. There doesn't have to be a winnerWords mean things, but agree. This is beyond played as a thread.
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3 minutes ago, cucinavivace said:
I'm just saying it's a risk for the seller either way - don't get your tip or maybe get banned.
"Don't get your tip?" That's not even what we're discussing here. No one ever suggested that. Maybe you are commenting on something else, or are not following the thread.
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1 minute ago, virgoca said:
I don't think making us all pay for what some people may do is the correct way of dealing with it
So you have just negated the entire insurance industry. Interesting. Just stick with "it's not fair." Not very well reasoned, but an honest yet emotional response.
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5 minutes ago, cucinavivace said:
Yeah, I've heard the tip scam argument many times and I get it. But, if you're approaching new buyers asking them to pay $5 for a gig and $95 for a tip, you are just asking to end up with $5 total on that job. LOL
I don't think you'd end up with the full tip amount often enough to justify making it common practice, and I think Fiverr knows that and can of course catch it otherwise most of the time. It's just a nice, clean, rational excuse.You bring up "new buyers" to make your point. Let me give you an example, I have many regular buyers, one in particular who orders every month like clockwork for their usual job at $2,200. What would prevent me from approaching someone I know well on Fiverr and pulling the scam? I realize you just don't like paying 20% on tips, so just say "it's not fair", even though you agreed to it and let that stand as your objection. It's honest at least.
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I am simply answering your question as to why they charge 20% on tips. It seems your position is "it's not fair," which you are entitled to believe, however, you agreed to it when you signed up, and there is a very valid reason for it.
Pointing out that there are other scams as well is hardly a reason to dismiss what I have explained. Either scam will get you suspended from the platform.
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Just now, virgoca said:
since fiverr already flags words we say in the chat (you can't mention money or email without getting this little pop up) and now they have a super intelligent AI that's able to know even what the buyer is thinking and decide whether they were happy or not despite what they say in the reviews (apparently), I'm fairly sure that scenario is an issue of the past. Easily avoidable today, specially now that they are so trigger happy banning accounts for any perceived violation of TOS
Seriously, you can easily attach a word document or txt file with the scam details.
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39 minutes ago, virgoca said:
Enlighten me
There are probably hundreds of references already posted here, but the quick version is as follows: If Fiverr did not charge the same on tips as they do on services, how often would the following scam be played out?
A seller wants to quote a job at $100, but knowing that Fiverr will take $20, leaving the seller only $80 decides to send a message to the buyer offering to discount the job to $90 if they agree to the following: I will quote you the job for $5, then you tip me $85. This way, the seller makes an extra $4, the buyer saves $10, and Fiverr makes $1, instead of $20.
With the volume of scammers here, this would be done to the tune of millions of dollars in lost revenue for Fiverr.
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57 minutes ago, donnovan86 said:
I think you can get a comission via Fiverr too, don't they have an affiliate program? You send that person an affiliate link to purchase your gig, and you get a comission.
True, but why let facts get in the way of mindless b**ching?
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57 minutes ago, virgoca said:
I'm sure other platforms also don't take 20% from your tips 😆
Do you understand why they do?
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4 hours ago, biaynamahari said:
Unfortunately it doesn't work with design, I wish I could send half a logo 🙂 But I either have it or not :))
You are still talking about starting work before the order is placed though. Why would you do that? That's what a portfolio is for. If someone looks at your portfolio and says, "But I still need to see how my logo would look," prior to placing an order, they are a scammer, or a noob that you don't want to work with. You should only start designing anything once an order is placed and paid for. As for drafts once the order is placed, are you aware of watermarking?
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Just now, kohinaichimatsu said:
I was just reading all of that now, still doesnt fix the problem tho, and asking for buyers to change reviews is they have made a mistake is quite scary to do aswell..
I understand. But it's your profile, do as you wish.
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Yes, you can say, "Is there anything I could have done to make your experience better?" Or, "Thanks for the order, is there anything that I could have improved?" But the almost demand with the sad face to guilt them is clearly manipulative. @Kesha has written extensively on this, you may want to read the threads.
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You do realize that saying "Hey, why did you leave me a negative review? 😞" is a complete violation of TOS and will get you a suspension?
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7 hours ago, mandyzines said:
Once an order is placed, if it's more than 300 words, I do require them to review a sample read of the first couple of paragraphs before I proceed with recording the rest. I might adjust things in order to do it with smaller orders as well, in light of recent changes.
That is a great way to make sure you don't have to do it all over again. I will often send a sample of the first couple lines to make sure that they like the delivery, of course only on an order that's already been placed.
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22 hours ago, biaynamahari said:
I created a topic yesterday about this but it disappeared. I'm not sure how moderation works here so I'll try again.
I've been contacted by a client - which I was very happy with, because I'm a newbie here. After discussing a few things they asked for a free sample. The price I charge here so far is very low compared to my normal life price, so I politely refused.
So I wanted to ask if there is anyone who actually gives free samples and has seen any good outcome from that ? Isn't it a red flag not to work with a client that asks for free work ?
Never give free samples. It's the sure sign of either a scammer or an inexperienced buyer, neither of which you want. Most often, they tell you they need 5,000 words written for example, but want a paragraph listing the details of the product as a sample, to make sure you can do the job. You write the paragraph, they steal it and ghost you because that's all they ever needed, and every minute inexperienced sellers fall for this scam.
In fact when asked, I refuse and tell them, "Although I don't do free samples, there are many new new sellers here who will do it for practice."
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23 hours ago, larrydrums said:
most of these updates are shoot from the hip and cross your fingers type methods.
what a lovely way of saying "pulled from the bum."
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1 hour ago, leonormiserol said:
This has to end up in the hands of someone competent on fiverr.
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2 hours ago, lukesdesigns said:
All of this is happening while new Sellers like this: https://www.fiverr.com/team_scorpions1 are displaying AI generated and fake images with no reviews or past orders and receiving PRO status.
What on Earth is going on?
Fiverr is in love, enamored and absolutely spellbound by AI like a 13 year old boy with a new video game. They promote it and also use it to "improve" things like the ratings system. As for PRO, that lost it's meaning about a year ago when they started giving it to anyone and everyone, even people who were not interested in PRO, were not vetted and were surprised to see the badge slapped on their profile.
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13 minutes ago, palmreader37 said:
Same here. All gigs but one dropped one point and my overall success score dropped from 4 to 3. Nice work Fiverr, really good motivation to continue working for a seller that was TRS for over 7 years...I guess I was a different person back then.
But you must have known this would happen, right?
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1 hour ago, visualstudios said:
I just recently ordered 2 voice overs. I didn't rate them, as I didn't want to hurt the sellers, but also didn't want to lie.
They were what I needed and wanted. I was happy with them. 5 stars for me is just that - I got what I was promised and needed, I'm happy, done.
But that's not what 5 stars are in the new system. 5 stars is "exceptional". And the sellers i bought from were definitely not exceptional. They can't exceed expectations if I have the correct expectations, which I had, because I had worked with them before. 1/100 orders are exceptional, for me. It just doesn't happen often - if it did, it wouldn't be "exceptional". Words have meanings.
The problem is the scale used. If 5 stars was "very good", all would be fine. Calling it exceptional makes 5 star reviews impossible to get 99% of the time - unless the buyer is an idiot that is impressed by anything, or knows the system and is basically lying about what "exceptional" means.
Now, all of this would still not be a problem (even if unfair, since the review scale is not balanced), if having a 3.5 or 4 average score was seen as good. But when you need 4.7 to qualify for TRS, and 4.4 to qualify for a measly level 1, when the scale calls 4.0 "very good", this is a major problem, obviously.
Also, I know it's frowned upon to mention nationalities here, but from now on I'll just refuse to work with german and french clients, because they are notorious for having a culture of "nothing is quite perfect", so forget about ever getting a 5 star from there with this system, and expect quite a few 3 stars. Very good is already amazing, exceptional? From a german or french? Keep dreaming. Americans are much nicer.
A pet peeve of mine is also the very few people who realize that "Words, do indeed, mean things." However, I just ordered a VO as well, but even though I got a perfect delivery, exactly within my expectations as I've used this seller before, I still gave the highest possible review. I would rather play the game and not punish someone who gave me great work because Fiverr does not understand that "words mean things." Just sayin'
Funny how we get different results. German buyers are among the easiest and most generous for me, right on par with US buyers.
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22 hours ago, dereck_s said:
I legit said to my computer screen like 3 times "WTF are you actually saying"! There was so much double speak and nonsense a lot of it didn't sound like anything understandable was actually said.
You have to remember your BS BINGO game card for each webinar. I believe "Robust" and "Lean in" were the only 2 they missed this time.
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It is a dumb layout.
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What would you do with $1000 in Fiverr Bucks?
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Fellas, we need to talk.