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To be fair, not even Britain respects BST except for the 1 day of the year when the sun darkens our fair isle's skies with its rude interruption of the scheduled rain.

I think Fiverr should let.. er... them?... do a webinar. I would watch.

chrischan? is that you?

I invite people to look at my profile picture image (not this one, the cover image on my profile). I made it about 3 forum versions ago. It's glorious. I also made it by hand, which makes me a more skilled artist than many Fiverr sellers (although I will confess that I probably stole the outline from somewhere on Google)

My top-notch content will make me at least But you're right, I just need to not tell anyone it's AI content and lie about forget to mention it to my customers and then come up with unconvincing excuses when I'm rumbled. It does rather strike me that "hybrid content" is a marketing term invented just to gloss over the problem with AI content: that it's AI content. To add to your list, what about copyright issues? I don't only mean the accidental plagiarism of AI rewriting whatever's in its knowledge bases, but also the high probability that courts will find gen AI contents to be uncopyrightable, which is fine if you're playing around with it, not so great if you want to trademark etc. it. Which neatly brings me to another awkward part of Fiverr's AI community standards: A random blog on Google: Question for Fiverr: Why are you allowing sellers to deceive their clients like this? Why did you change your community standards from requiring disclosure to not requiring disclosure? Isn't this just a nasty can of worms waiting to be sprung on a seller you'll be forced to make an example of in future? Not that I'll feel particularly sorry for the seller, but ultimately, you're allowing this to happen and profiting from it.

Of all the things you shouldn't AI, that's one of them. But who did the AI? the original gig vet or JL? Given that on other pages, testimonials come with terrifyingly large headshots, I'm inclined to think this one might be a little fib. That site is fascinating. It's like 1997 all over again!

Now why would you ever give someone that impression? I noticed on his FB that he doesn't understand how Fiverr's search works. [image removed to preserve people's modesty] Or perhaps that's some contrived ignorance for his marketing. Who knows? I really need to get in on this game.

I already made a terrible gig image for the gig vet gig! You can tell it was made by hand, since it looks rubbish and only took 5 minutes. I will dominate this niche.

I wouldn't make a gig without looking at the keywords first. And in general - this won't shock anyone here - the most popular kw for AI writing revolve around finding and using an AI writer (or just vanilla GPT). When it comes to hiring someone to write your AI article for you, at most the traffic is around 20 (take this with a grain of salt, as even low traffic kw can yield good traffic). On GTrends, terms like complex ai services and hybrid content don't even have data. In contrast, terms like "hire copywriter" "writing service" etc. have much better traffic, even when you niche down. What does this tell us, everybody? The only thing that puts me off this is the whole "value of delivery" thing really. That and potentially losing RTO. And probably not being able to use the gig as a soapbox warning against deceptive AI practices on Fiverr. Hey, I have another gig idea! "THE GIG VET" in which I get hired to vet sellers for buyers since Fiverr can't do that job for some reason.

I was thinking of running this by my success manager, but then I realized she was on vacation until my membership either gets cancelled or increases in cost by 100% despite a price lock. So there's that. I am adrift in a sea of ideas with no guidance 😞

As we all know, Fiverr is madly and blindly in love with AI. Until it comes to its senses and realizes that AI is a cheatin' good for nothing [badword], we're all just going to have to live with it. 🧿 So I was looking today at the listings for "hybrid content", also known as "hybrid ai content", which Fiverr chooses to call a "complex AI service". I was very surprised to see that the seller who has made $2m selling exactly these services was nowhere to be found - she'll happily promote her hybrid writing and team of expart writers off-platform, but on-platform, it's strictly "human writing" and never mind those reviews. Of course, this is all perfectly legit under Fiverr's Community Standards, which mean nobody has to tell anyone they use AI unless the buyer asks. And the buyer really needs to ask first and do due diligence, not trust that the Fiverr marketplace, bustling as it is with integrity and vetted, trustworthy professional sellers. You know what happens when you pop the words "hybrid content" and "hybrid AI content" into search? Yeah, nobody's selling this complex AI service. Or at least they're not mentioning it if they do. Now, I'd quite like $2m dollars. So since this is a super-in-demand service that buyers are rushing to pick up, why shouldn't I give myself the only gig that's like, in the niche? Open. Honest. Transparent. Explaining my process. You know, being a seller with integrity. On the other hand, I have a feeling there's a reason that this $2M seller doesn't fully disclose what she's doing, and maybe she wouldn't have all this money if she did things differently. So, shall I waste time on this test or not? It's very simple really: AI writes content, I make sure it's not 💩. But it'll still look like an AI wrote it, because that's essentially what hybrid content is. Mind you, I'd probably cut out the top notches and lighten the fluff. That'll really demonstrate the complexity of this and totally make me a millionaire. What do you guys think? This will be a really easy gig to launch because I'll just use AI to make everything so it's pretty much zero effort on my part. 2 million dollars, here I come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You've discovered the secret behind losing 200,000 buyers over 2023. Sadly, Fiverr's response is to GPT everything. Worse, their AI policy shifted from "you need to disclose if you use AI" to "you can use AI without telling anyone". Staff communications have also moved from being written by people to an ever-listening, ever transparent autobot who can't do much to help anyone with anything unless it involves vomiting up some unseasoned wordsoup. Buyers don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for something they can do for themselves either for free or with a low cost monthly subscription - and they certainly don't want to hand it over to an amateur who has no interest in the job other than the payday, which is the reality of most of these undisclosed AI services rather than the "complex AI service" model that Fiverr is trying to stake a claim on.

I know a lot about British boilers. I don't want to, but I do. The upshot of it all is that I know there (was) a lead magnet out there full of completely legitimate references to old boilers and lots of easter eggs for the equally childish. But that's what you get when you hire me to write your guide to replacing your old boiler. 🙂 Don't worry, the client knew exactly what I was doing, too.

Personally, I'm hoping typos become fashionable, since AI doesn't make typos, but weak humans are masters of this fine art. I can see the conversation already?=: BUYER: "how can I be sure that you won't write top-notch content exploring the diverse world of gray sweatpants?" ME: "I am confident that I can deliver a well-written article that has embarrassing typos everywhere because I forgot to save the file one last time before attaching and delivering it." BUYER: "Brilliant! Your hired!" ME: "haha, your" BUYER: "what?" ME: ".... nevermind"

All the young people talking about "confusion" is only confirming my wild assumption that young people don't know how to Google stuff or look at Wikipedia. Forgot to mention, back in the day when clippy terrorized people, I always wondered why these people (who are now very old) didn't just... turn it off like I did. Much like today's youth, Very Old People seem to have a terminal inability to Google stuff. It's very strange. Still, as a millennial who effortlessly manages to be able to use computers and new-fangled new tech like TikTok and this "AI" that everyone talks about, here's why Clippy AI is bad (starts off a bit slowly, but I quite like the dramatic escalation). The freshers can now go back to playing Farmville. Oh wait, sorry, that's the old people. EDIT: take note Fiverr. This is how AI should be used (for creativity, not world domination). Not that you're listening.

That is a seller-centric perspective. Fiverr isn't going to care about that. Fiverr is more concerned right now with positioning itself as a thought leader in "the future of work". Its "complex AI service" model marches to the beat of the WEF drum (lots of articles from the WEF on FoW here). Fiverr writes plenty of stuff to support its vision here. Take this article about tech executives and hiring decisions during "high stress periods" - in other words, hire freelancers temporarily and then dispose of them when the stress is gone. That doesn't sound horrible since freelancers aren't employees and that's kind of what they do - fill in gaps - but think about how Fiverr works. Imagine a buyer who is "highly stressed" during a crunch time. We've all had to deal with those buyers, and they are usually the most difficult and unreasonable due to the pressures on them being offloaded onto us. Here's a bad diagram of how that works from ChatGPT, since I couldn't find the one I wanted on Google: The difference? Well, at the end of the day, the freelancer is 100% disposable to everyone, from the "highly stressed" company when things relax and everyone gets bonuses for great work, to Fiverr, whose AI systems decide that the 2-star sad emoji face and "high negative impact" score on "conflict resolution" means they're a 3 SS seller. And bonuses, benefits, or credit? Of course not. The companies don't need to pay any of that. Fiverr is positioning itself as a way of having employees without responsibilities - while also holding standards much higher and heavier than any workplace would. That is the "future of work". Sometimes, Fiverr tries to soften their actual role in this with articles like this, which features this golden nugget of what someone probably thinks is "joined-up thinking": Let's translate this: fluidity - unable to hold down a regular job flexible, dynamic - the process of finding a new job, due to AI (disruption) and companies scaling back on hiring people that the law requires them to have employee contracts (and expenses) with. Somehow, the writer of this peace manages to interpret all of that as meaning job security isn't a thing of the past - a ludicrous statement to make when "jobs for life", the gold standard of job security up until approximately 2000 (IDK actually, but the jokes about "getting a cheap watch on retiring after 45 years with the company" stopped around that time) and AI/robotics are slowly swallowing up jobs for just about everyone. Is Fiverr going to cover any of this in its AI nonsense? No, of course not. It can barely answer simple questions from sellers about its own use of AI, or even how Fiverr Enterprise works to the sellers it invited to the program. All it knows is how to position its new, upmarket self as a virtual temp agency for those things that can't be mopped up by robots, AI, and management. But Fiverr's already losing talent due to its own mismanagement, losing buyers as a result of an inability to govern its marketplace correctly, and cheapening its pro-gram to include non-pros who shouldn't be there in order to artificially inflate the "value" of its workforce. Pro failed to become what Fiverr wants Enterprise to be. I don't have high hopes for Enterprise. But to circle back to the initial point, the WEF is pretty much infamous at this point for envisioning a future where the "people" (that's us, not them) will own nothing and be happy. They got rid of that article over coronavirus when too many people discovered it and "misinterpreted" the headline, which literally was you'll own nothing and be happy. That was written in the pre-AI, pre-Covid era, but is still very much on-message for what is in store for the majority of humanity in the future of work, play, and living. Fiverr has obviously picked its side, and just like the rest of the elite class that does not listen to the masses it won't listen. Just remember that you're 100% disposable to Fiverr and everyone else. That was always true as a freelancer, but now companies are using freelancers to shore up roles where employees might be more appropriate. That is a recent development and a troubling one when the regulation and legislation around contractors is much less protective of our rights than those of employees - not to mention the global nature of our "workforce" meaning that enacting change is difficult. It's already hard enough to get 1 government to change. How can you do it across all of them (and especially when all of them are basically in the WEF, too?) I have no idea what that future looks like, but I hope serious change is coming to wash away the current status quo, because it is as corrupt as they come and does not serve the majority of humanity - only the profits of the few. There's already a term for it: neo-feudalism. Some of you will already remember that the pandemic was one of the greatest wealth transfers in history - from the poor to the already obscenely rich. This isn't even capitalism. It's hyper-capitalism by corporate, for corporate. You? You'll own nothing and be happy. Note the use of the imperative. That was my Sunday Soapbox.

Oh look, a post written using AI that doesn't disclose it (and thus, breaks the forum rules, if not Fiverr's rules: a curious little dichotomy there). Are we sure that copypasta counts as "innovating"? How would you say that Fiverr's use of AI is effectively tackling the tough problem of governing the marketplace? Do you think that using AI without transparency, is a good approach? The EU doesn't seem to view it that way. And what of the complexities of AI and copyright law? When secret AI sellers give buyers work that is created by AI, what happens when that affects their brand or business? Since you're someone who is loving life in the AI industry, I'd be fascinated to hear your take on these discussions, since we're still trying - as a society - to figure out how to use AI and how it should be regulated. And, since you touched on revolution, do you feel that AI is speeding up the progress of 4IR and the WEF's "Great Reset" proposal, which places AI squarely at the center of helping economies (read: corporations and elites) recover from the *devastation* of COVID pandemic? This whole "industry 4.0" thing very much pushes workers out of the way by using AI for white collar jobs and robotics (with AI) for blue-collar jobs. What did the seriously smart folks you work with have to say about that? Because I know OpenAI is very concerned (At least publicly) about how ChatGPT could be used to harm people. And if you look on social media, you'll notice that most people pushing AI are those with affiliate codes or their own AI software to promote. Generally, these two types of people are not the most trustworthy when it comes to endorsements or even balanced perspectives. So, what are those new possibilities, who do they benefit, and is it ultimately a good thing - regardless of how smart the people behind it are? Smart people aren't necessarily good people. So, I'm really interested to hear your thoughts - or rather, ChatGPT's thoughts, since Fiverr 2024 is essentially one big ChatGPT party.

You don't have to. You can just start promoting yourself away from Fiverr and spending money on your business rather than filling Fiverr's coffers with money. It's not like Promoted Gigs lets you target your buyers, is it? You can do that on FB, IG, Google... ...and the customers you get from there, you can work with them without having to bend over backwards to to please Fiverr's awful AI systems that hurt everyone except scammers. Pretty neat, huh?

...and hurt feelings can soon hurt profits if the AI scamming continues too much longer, especially in the Pro marketplace where buyers should at least have a reasonable expectation that sellers who use AI for their work will disclose it or post in the appropriate categories. Before anyone starts: I'm talking about the final work. I don't think buyers particularly care if e.g. writers use AI to speed up research and get a handle on the topic, so long as the final output is actually written by a human and carefully fact checked etc. Ditto other verticals. AI in production = great. AI masquerading as complete product made by man = scam.

I fear that study would not past muster by the ESG board.

It's certainly not very committed to policing the marketplace and forcing sellers to be transparent about their use of AI when many buyers don't want AI. Is Fiverr not requiring disclosure helping a) businesses and people or b) scammers? EDIT: There are people on this forum who have paid hundreds of dollar for articles written by AI when they paid for human writing. This is the reality of Fiverr's marketplace at the moment. Do you think those buyers come back? Do you think they trust Fiverr? Do you think they care about nonsense like "AI empowerment" when they've effectively been scammed?

Ugh. I don't want to watch it (and give Fiverr "engagement" that proves "interest"), but I do want to know what she said so I can say mean things about it. I'm very productive like that 🙂 Of course some people might find them useful, and I don't have an issue with that. It's really the whole "forcing AI down everyone's throat" combined with the almost complete lack of regulation (and therefore "integrity") on the marketplace that gets my goat.

@donnovan86 did you attend the storytelling one? These webinars are not good enough for anyone with an interest in the subject. The first one I watched (which I think was one of the first last year?) showed how a Pro seller used ChatGPT to create article outlines. IIRC the prompting went something like this: Ask ChatGPT to write an outline for an article about [keyword] Tell it to write each section separately "edit it" Job done! Very, very, very unimpressive stuff. No advice given on tone, style, voice, semantic SEO etc. She probably did mention the hallucination, but for a webinar that promised expert blah-de-blah into a waffle. it was a complete waste of time. Point being that anyone who is interested in learning how to use AI tools isn't watching Fiverr's webinars - they're going to places where actual experts at manipulating MJ, GPT, or whatever are sharing some of what they do (since most people are precious about their prompts, given that making them public is all but a guarantee it lands up in some sellers "10,000 Amazing GPT Prompts Pack" for $5. And the seller them comes to the forum and asks for advice on how to prompt in broken English while simultaneously telling the world in GPT speak that they're an EXPART. (true story, that). presumably this webinar is for sellers like that. But due to their limited abilities to speak English, how is it going to help them - and do they even want help? FIVERR! ENOUGH AI ALREADY!

Yes, I know I'm old. Get off my lawn!