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20 hours ago, newsmike said:
Bloody hell, they found another way to mess things up. Have you switched off "live portfolio"? I just did.
You can't switch off live portfolio of gigs that no longer exist.
Those didn't appear before - now, if you made the terrible mistake of deleting an old, irrelevant gig that had live portfolio turned on... you're out of luck.
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Worse than that - I have pieces on my portfolio that I didn't put there. They're missing the video, nothing shows, it looks terrible. I don't have live portfolio enabled in any gig. I want to curate my own portfolio, as I upload gifs for every project, project descriptions, etc.
I need a option to turn off any automatic additions to the portfolio.
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Specially lately, with the "gig economy" (hate that expression), that freelancing "is for everyone". It isn't, nor should it be. It requires a certain personality, drive, and marketable skills. Not everyone has what it takes, and that's ok.
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You will be able to run your own models locally. Other companies, based in other countries where copyright laws don't matter will have other models that don't watermark anything.
It can't be done. It's like say "we'll end piracy online". No, you won't. Can't be done.
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1 hour ago, uk1000 said:
There might be big fines or other legal issues if people get found out though.
But how can people be found, that is the question. It's all bytes (I'm mainly talking about text here, as that's one of the few areas where we are pretty much already there - but it will apply to others sooner or later).
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2 minutes ago, uk1000 said:
If you want to sell a book on amazon you'd need to declare to them if it was written with AI (I haven't tried but that's what I read). They might do something with that setting in future (eg. if they think there's low quality AI written books being sold that are supposed to be factual but aren't).
If you wanted to sell some rights to it for film etc. you'd need to own the rights first, and you wouldn't if it was all chatgpt content.
If you wanted to register it with the US copyright office, as far as I know, they wouldn't currently register it if it's 100% AI content
But you would lie, and there's no way to know, if the AI is good enough. And the AI will be good enough.
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On 9/12/2024 at 7:48 AM, williambryan392 said:
I was working with a 19 year old a couple of years back, and when chatgpt came on the scene he created a prompt library ebook thing... $49, sold it 50,000+ times. It was an easy way for him to become a millionaire before he'd even legally purchased a beer. I wouldn't have done it because of imposter syndrome. He didn't feel the same and made millions that year. I did not make millions that year.
I suppose it all comes down to why we work. If it's a love/passion then the revenue doesn't matter nearly so much! I'm greedy though, I want to make $$!
Of course, but I just don't understand how that works. It's not that simple, there's a lot of luck involved. I'm pretty sure there were thousands making those crappy ebooks, and 99% made nothing.
As I always say... I'm more than willing to sell my soul to the devil, but he ain't buying it.
On 9/12/2024 at 7:48 AM, williambryan392 said:Is that for all time, or have you seen a downward trend?
All time I sold maybe 3 or 4 gigs through promoted.
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On 9/12/2024 at 7:37 AM, williambryan392 said:
Maybe I'm looking at it differently, but what concerns me is my take-home amount, not the percentage fees along the way. I'd give up 99%, if someone pays me a $billion.
An extreme example I know!
Correct if there's unlimited price elasticity. There is not. There is a limit to what people are willing to pay, and that's already less than I'd like. So no, doesn't work with ever increasing cuts getting taken.
On 9/12/2024 at 7:37 AM, williambryan392 said:Create a video course? You have the knowledge to educate, and the skills to create it? Perhaps you have already!
I judge people harshly for doing just that, I can't do it, major impostor syndrome. I look at what's out there and think " what clowns, selling worthless bs". I couldn't do the same. Not for any moral reason, I just don't feel like I have anything new or better to say that isn't already out there, and I just can't fake it. Unfortunately, it's a very useful skill.
There should be way less courses, influencers, etc. out there. Only the top of the top should do it. The truly special ones. I don't agree with this "everyone can do it", I never will. I know it works, but I just can't. Having no shame is a super power that I don't possess.
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12 minutes ago, williambryan392 said:
Reading this got me worried, so I checked it out, this year my ROI has been 5.6:1 on promoted gigs, and 6.98:1 for all time. Not as good as it once was, and definitely trending down, but I think I reject more people than I used to, and the CPC has increased quicker than my pricing.
Mine has been 0:1. Zero serious leads, a ton of garbage and spam. I don't understand how others have such different results. They just don't work at all for me. Yet I still get organic orders, and they are good.
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11 minutes ago, williambryan392 said:
Would you pay 50%? Because that's the google ads average from what I can tell.
No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't work for half my value in my pocket (and then taxes on top, so, like, not even 25% of the value in my pocket). 20% is honestly about the limit. This for services, of course, where I need to trade my active effort and time for money - which is what I do.
If I had a commodity, or product, where I can just sell it passively (a book, a course, etc.) then the situation is different. I'd put in 100 to get 110 back, it's free money. Totally different math. As long as it's beating average market returns, and I don't need to work for it, it's worth it.
5:1 is brilliant ROI for an investment (way too good, actually).
Working is not an investment, however. I do all the work, I should keep all the payment. I don't even need to put money upfront to work. I need someone who needs X done and is willing to pay for it, and I need to know how to do X, that's it.
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25 minutes ago, uk1000 said:
The point will be (for now, at least until the laws are made clearer), to make sure you have the rights though and be able to prove it, as well as probably not fail AI detectors
But the point is that can't be done if it's indistinguishable. With text it's particularly trivial, but it can and will eventually be applicable to any other digital medium. Like, if I have a model that can create video of an elephant, how can anyone prove I didn't film that elephant myself, if the file I get out of it is exactly the same, byte by byte, as an actual shot of an elephant taken by a videographer (including metadata)? You can't.
That's the problem here. If you compose something, write something, film something, record something, you don't get a receipt and title of ownership on a centralized ledger, like if you bought a car or a house. Nothing can be proven. "Oh, i get the project files" - AI can do those as well, it's all bytes. Any digital information can be created out of thin air, and it will be impossible to tell, that's the point. Any byte is the same as any other byte.
"Prove I have the rights"? How? I just wrote a poem on my computer. How can I "prove" it's mine? I can't. AI may have written it, I may have copied it from some obscure source, a random mystery person may have used my computer to write it.
I just composed a track on logic. How can I "prove" I did it? I can't. I may have lifted all the melodies from somewhere else, I may have used AI to do it, etc.
I just have the digital files. Even if I record myself doing it, how can I "prove" that video is real, and not AI made? I can't. If there are "authenticity receipts", those are digital as well, so they can also be replicated and made up.
Nothing can be "proven".
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4 minutes ago, uk1000 said:
One difference will be in the rights. Currently AI generated content can't be copyrighted but human-written content can. If Google detects AI written website content it was said (I think on this forum) that it wouldn't rank as well. So if buyers want to own all the rights then they'd want human writers to create it.
The point is there will be no difference. Specially in writing (but eventually in everything, an image is just pixels, a video is just a series of images), a sufficiently advanced AI is indistinguishable from a human, that's the whole point. We're not quite there yet, but there will come a time where an AI generated image and a photo will be literally indistinguishable, at a pixel per pixel level. From there, video will follow. Sound as well, both music and voice, byte by byte, the same as "real" captured audio. Then what?
Sure, some models can insert digital signatures on the files, on purpose, to say they are AI, but anyone can run a model locally (eventually), and remove those. In the future, nothing will be human and everything will be human, the distinction will be pointless.
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1 hour ago, williambryan392 said:
Do you guys ( @visualstudios @newsmike) use Google ads to drive people to your own sites, if so I'm guessing you get a much better ROI?
I do not pay for traffic at all.
1 hour ago, williambryan392 said:From what I recall (I'm no Google ads expert!), a return of 2 to 1 on your spend is considered average/the norm (obviously it varies). I'd love to know the average ROI for Fiverr promoted gigs.
On Fiverr I've been paying 20% commission since.. always. That's 5:1, and it's actually better since I'm not paying anything upfront. If I need to pay 2:1 for promoted gigs, that means I'm paying 50%... plus 20%... so, 70% of my order value? Ahahah, that's ridiculous. At that point I'd rather beg for money on the street, instead of being robbed. The moment I get to keep 30% of the value I sell, is the moment I quit working. Enough is enough.
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3 hours ago, priyank_mod said:
None of the pro-AI people
Not Pro or Anti, I just recognize what it's coming, and what is unavoidable.
3 hours ago, priyank_mod said:In due time, everything and everyone would start sounding pretty much the same
Welcome to the corporate world... they already mostly want to sound the same anyway. Even their "creativity" is formulaic.
3 hours ago, priyank_mod said:And not to forget the fact that AI also has a certain writing style and it loves using certain words (to de*th) - so much so that it is easy to identify AI content within a few seconds.
AI is not chatgpt. Also, give it time.
3 hours ago, priyank_mod said:PS It is easy for people who are not professional writers to spell DOOM and even write obituaries for the writing fraternity. And same way, content writers can look at Dall-E or Sora to assume that other professionals have no future left!!
Yes, they can - it's a matter of time. Illustrators are basically out already, to a large degree. Voice actors very soon. Eventually video editors, musicians, actors. I'll give it 5-10 years. Gotta get the bag in the meanwhile.
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@katakatica The more "creative" and "human" your work is, the better - for now. Novelists won't be out of a job for now. Poets won't be out of a job for now (eh, they were already out of a job for decades, what am I saying, writing poetry ain't paying any bills).
But run of the mill writing? Website copy, product descriptions, mailing lists, etc.? Which is, like, 90% of freelance writting? (citation needed) That's dead with AI. Dead. That is, the act of writing itself. People will still hire people to be in charge of that, since they don't know how to prompt the models properly, or they don't want to have to deal with it, to polish it, edit it, etc.
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Non personalised writing, as a field, is dead. The only writers that will still have business very soon are the ones who have a great network of contacts, that want to hire them specifically. Anyone looking to just have some writing done, and have no preference for an individual, will be very well served by AI, if not now in the very near future. Writers that survive will be selling their personality, their brand, more than the writing itself - because most writing (the vast majority) just needs to be functional, to work for a certain purpose, and AI will nail that sooner or later (it will be sooner). But people will always like to help each other, and friends will always want to hire friends. A lot of people will prefer hiring a human of their trust instead of writing prompts themselves, so the most successful freelance writers will be the ones who are more appealing on a human level, customer relations, and that can they have an AI do all the work, and they simply act as the bridge, the human connection, that a lot of clients want and demand. They'll be essentially prompt writers and, above all else, customer relationship managers. And they will be able to do it on a massive scale, since all their work will be talking to clients, the writing itself, which used to be the most time consuming part, will be automated away.
It is what it is.
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42 minutes ago, newsmike said:
The coupons and campaigns are fine for getting an incentive in front of some new buyers and there is no liability as to cost.
And these only work for fixed price services. People who sell things by the word / minute / whatever can use these tools effectively. I need to price each project individually, after a lengthy talk with prospective leads, and each offer is bespoke, so these make no sense for me at all.
Promoted gigs are also useless, no good leads, and spam.
So I have no tools, effectively, to promote my business on this platform.
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On 9/10/2024 at 10:16 AM, newsmike said:
Fiverr just throws your spend into the randomness of their user base, and you pay for junk.
It's worse than that - because I pay for junk exclusively. It's not "random", if it was I'd get the spam and the real clients. Nope. No real clients at all. Every single message I get is spam, and every single message I get is from a list of the same 3 or 4 countries. They also come in batches, like days without anything and then 3 or 4 back to back within minutes. This isn't "random".
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Until I can control promoted gigs so they are only shown to USA and select European countries, I will never use this again. I'm not going to pay to be harassed by people who have no intention to buy my services, always from SE Asia and Latin America, which are NOT my target market because I've yet to see any clients there with proper budgets. This is ridiculous.
I will not pay for garbage.
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@Kesha Against my best judgement I reactivated promoted gigs with a higher cpc, as I figured that could be the issue. This is what I get. Why am I paying for this? Why can't I BLOCK certain countries from being advertised to? It's always the same BS. Why does Fiverr allow this? Why would ANYONE use promoted gigs, if when I turn them on I get 100% spam, and never proper contacts? When will this be fixed for good?
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11 hours ago, filipdevaere said:
I have request to order and it is activated on all my gigs.
The buyer can contact me with another account and try to buy it for the price of $60. I have customers requesting the same translation because they sell the same products
RTO is only half the strategy. The other half is to heavily vet buyers if you have any suspicion. If I turned down someone, and a new account comes with a similar project... I'll take extra steps to ensure I'm not dealing with the same person, or someone under their orders.
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9 hours ago, filipdevaere said:
This cannot be avoided.
It can be avoided by having request to order. I avoid a ton of problems with that alone. Any suspicion I may have, I immediately send the buyer to a video call. Very hard to fake that.
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2 hours ago, filipdevaere said:
I don't think Fiverr can force me to work with a buyer that I choose not to work with. We as sellers do not have a contract with Fiverr
They can't force you to work with anyone, but they can punish you (SS, lower visibility, etc.) for any reason they can think of, pretty much, and there's nothing you can do. It's a minefield.
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2 hours ago, thejamuhh said:
But if my knowledge is correct, FIverr rates your gig lower if you don't get a sale out of a conversation (right?)
Certainly hope not, and doesn't seem to be the case. All my gigs have a 10 success score, and I turn down clients left and right.
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Is the Rating System really unbiased?
in Fiverr.com Feedback
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And this is why having a system that allows sellers to rate buyers publicly is totally pointless.
Three things can happen:
5 star review
No review
Honest review that is left by a seller who doesn't appear to be professional, because the only professional options are the first two.