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Why do you think seller performance would decrease by having cancellations without consequences? the seller wants to sell as much as Fiver. One thing does not remove the other. The more money the seller makes, the better. On the contrary, having the possibility of canceling without consequences would increase the performance and effectiveness of your service, since no seller would ever cancel a job that they can do and for which they would earn money. Has no sense. On the other hand, although Fiver is a company that profits from the massive buying and selling of services, it does not mean that it treats sellers as scum who have no right to even reject work that may not fit the characteristics of their job, simply because Mr. Fiver earns a few coins less. Under this concept, should any employees a company hires to play a role and make money for the owner be treated as objects without rights or benefits? You are justifying that Fiver, when taking care of its money, should not consider those who generate that money, which are basically all the users who offer a service here. There is demand here because there is supply first. So, as always, because we have to endorse nefarious behavior on the part of a mega company, when no one here does us a favor, no one here is working for a salary that Fiver gives away, here we are the ones who give 20% of our payments to Fiver. I understand your concept, but I think it is time to change certain centrist thoughts that only lead to labor involution. Finally, Fiver wanted to take a leap in quality, but forgets that much of that quality is built with sellers. Fiver can focus its objective on earning thousands and thousands of dollars by being the intermediary between seller and buyer, however there are different ways to achieve this, and not necessarily the best is not to consider those who make up 50% of the platform. Multi-billion dollar companies like Google even make their employees work longer hours than normal, but the difference is that their employees are happy, because they are considered, listened to, and respond with loyalty, performance, and commitment. Fiver can make this platform a great marketplace, it can raise the quality level of sellers, it can even improve the performance of sellers, and it can achieve this by keeping both buyers and sellers satisfied. However, they chose to implement archaic policies that not only reflect their lack of professionalism, but also their miserable interests without an iota of intelligence.

Exactly I'm in your situation. Exactly the same. From support I only got the following response: the algorithm changes every day so we cannot guarantee a position in the search results, we advise you to improve your metrics and continue working with your regular clients. But how are we supposed to improve metrics without new customers? Regular customers exhaust the resources of their orders, they are not infinite. I'm honestly thinking about deleting my account and creating another one from scratch.

Fiver has already made it clear that it doesn't care about ratings that are public. Only private evaluations are valid. In that case I don't understand what public ratings are for, if only the private ones will be valid, then they should leave the private ones and stop making us dizzy. You were very lucky. I searched for myself by my country, language, category and I don't appear anywhere at all. My success score is 4 for using the delivery extension. All my ratings are 5, tips on almost all orders, 0 cancellations, 0 disputes. And that's how Fiver treats me. Magnificent.

The success score is driven by the set of your metrics as well as the set of metrics of the sellers in your niche. That is, it doesn't even depend on your metrics. The algorithm changes every 24 hours.

How is it possible that scam seller accounts have only 5 stars? Did a scammed customer provide a 5-star rating? What would be the point of doing that?

mmmm sometimes I find that you just want to be right about something... I have already given my opinion on this: Bad sellers are just the excuse, it's about Fiver automating the platform to reduce costs. For everything else there are always solutions, but the high-level solutions are with HUMAN support. If you're okay with Fiver's update, I wish you luck. Bye bye.

No one can help you here with that. You have to consult with support, otherwise you will run the risk of having your friend's account deactivated.

You have to delete your Fiver account since you cannot use the same payment method on 2 different accounts. Write to support.

There are always ways to reinforce control and security so that the number of fake accounts is minimal. Wouldn't it be better to reinforce that instead of screwing all the sellers who are doing things right? The update does not have to do exclusively with the number of bad salespeople, but with the cutting of expenses and automation of personnel. Because what is currently happening happens, the platform goes crazy with hundreds of errors. Cheap is expensive 🥴

I honestly didn't know there wasn't a button to report if you hadn't made a payment. I assume it's to prevent competitions from purposefully mass reporting and ruining accounts. In any case, if the seller does not give you confidence in the conversation prior to purchasing the service, simply do not buy their service and that's it. If you think they are acting suspiciously, you can report the profile by writing to support. I'm a seller, I have no idea what it's like to negotiate here as a buyer, but I can't think of how there can be so many ways to scam. The question would be: how did this situation occur and why? And I think the answer is simple: Fiver does not want to spend money on employees to monitor and maintain the proper functioning of the platform. Why are humans needed? because all situations are different and have a context, and that is something that AI does not know how to interpret, only a human can make a judgment about a situation between seller-buyer. Just as there are scam sellers, there are also buyers. AI cannot control that with algorithms. It's ridiculous. Under that concept, I don't think Fiver improves its quality as a platform.

I understand you and it seems very unfair to your level of sales that because of a rating they tarnish your reputation. In the end you feel frustrated for spending 5 years on a platform that only sees the drop of coffee in the glass of milk. I imagine that with your sales volume you have regular clients, you can continue working with them and have more assertive communication, leave them happier than usual and get them to leave only positive reviews, then be patient until those reviews impact the algorithm and come back. . to raise your success ranking. Unfortunately there is no exact time in which these things happen, it can be days or months.

That makes no sense. How can the number of positive reviews not matter? A seller with 1 negative review and 10 sales is not the same as a seller with 1 negative review and 1000 sales. There are no sellers who have not received a rating below 5 with sales above 1000. First, a negative rating is not always subject to poor seller performance; You may receive bad reviews by mistake or from a customer who did not know how to communicate well, or you are simply a bad customer. You can't just flag a seller with so many positive sales for 1 bad rating! ha ha That makes the difference between a professional platform and a minced meat platform. As they say, then any competition just leaves you a bad review and you're out of the market. Wow, how they like to celebrate companies that love ground human meat 🙄

Hello friend, welcome here! I'm sorry for your situation, many of us are going through the same thing here. No, it doesn't make any sense how they are handling the metrics. Nobody understands anything. Not even the support can give concrete explanations. According to Fiver, only the last 2 years of rating history are collected. That's what they announced. I think Fiver has seen our discontent here on the forum and in the number of queries sent to support. He's just not interested. The only thing that could be done is to create a new conversation thread, only for sellers, in which we talk about a proposal that would then be raised in a serious and respectful manner, but for that all sellers must join (absolutely all) and that is very difficult, since not everyone will want to risk their metrics if they are good. Unfortunately there is nothing to do, just migrate to other platforms.

They cannot use fake IDs if that is controlled by human support. It's not just about sending a photo of your ID, they may ask you for a photo to support your ID, summaries of services that prove your address, etc. It's easy to refer to an edited photo; If detected, that person is blocked. But precisely the dilemma here is not that, but rather that, as you say, it is cheaper to have AI and not the human personnel necessary to control these situations. It's all based on the decision to reduce your costs and prioritize your profits, so they don't care how these decisions affect sellers. I am on another platform that is not Upwork and there humans control everything, even to create an account you must go through a review process and they are very demanding when it comes to breaking important rules, such as disrespecting a client, having multiple accounts . (that's very serious), not behaving like a professional, etc. But they are logical rules and they definitely make you a better professional.

No. No one here talked about being a Fiver employee, only you mentioned it 🥴 Having an employment relationship is not being an employee specifically. But maybe you don't understand these laws because they don't exist in your country, and I understand that, but let's try not to take this into an infinite and absurd loop. For my part, that topic is already finished 👌 I think they took the most absurd measures that exist. It is not the only platform of this type, and no other one took them for having abusive measures from the seller. In fact, it is enough to have an account by identification, and eliminate the accounts of sellers with repeated complaints of extortion or manipulation, there was no need to punish the entire platform and place metrics that make no sense and work defectively.

Exactly the same here. Two full orders with 5 stars, tip, great feedback. My metric hasn't even moved. It doesn't close my calculations: 1 negative rating can taint your entire record and reduce your account to nothing. But many positive ratings cannot improve your ranking. Great Fiver 👏

Anyway friend, here with whildebrand we were not talking about your conversation and the ridiculous people who expect compensation with 0 sales. We're not even talking about compensation. We were talking about how strange it is how Fiver treats its sellers so insultingly. Since we represent 50% of this platform and its profits (that is, we are very important, more than they want us to believe). Nothing more, it was just a comment. Greetings!

Allow me to correct you, but that is according to the laws of the country, since in my country Uber does have an employment relationship with its drivers 🙂 Note: The Private Drivers Union of the Federal Capital decided to add drivers who work for Uber to its ranks, considering that the drivers of the application would be under a dependency relationship with the multinational passenger transport company in private cars. “The union aims to square these workers within Argentine laws to protect them.. We know that just by the fact that the drivers bill the application there is already a dependency relationship”

I imagined that buyer protection policies have evolved over the years, but even so, keep in mind that they are gradual penalties. Come on, you have to send rocks in boxes instead of products to close your account. That's not what happens here. This is not what currently happened on Fiver. At least I'm pretty angry because I dedicated my time to this platform for months to do things right, I've kept my clients happy, and because of a delivery metric I've been removed from the results and now my account is obsolete. That seems unfair to me, along with many other similar cases here. I am not against the rules, I am not against the platforms, I am against this context and situation that is ridiculous. I have worked for years on other platforms and I have never seen such disastrous treatment of sellers as here. EDIT: If it is a job, what it is not is being a job in a dependency relationship. Are you working. We are working. I really don't understand where this conversation is going, I'm not demanding to be treated like an employee... I really don't know why they are talking about this. I talked about an employment relationship and I'm sorry but legally it is like that, with Uber the same thing happens, where you have to be a monotributista, you are a driver for whom? from Uber. It does not mean that you have laws that protect you, but you have a relationship and at least it is known that there are decisions that harm the counterparty and that must be taken into account. Denying that doesn't make sense to me. I'm sorry. Everyone has their opinion, and perhaps in each country the rules are different. Here at least if there are too many sellers or delivery people or drivers on a platform, they even form guilds and even unions so that precarious work does not exist. Therefore, there is no point in arguing about labor laws. Sorry, I can't write more messages today, Fiver won't let me 🤣🤣

And that's okay with you? 😬 It is one thing to demand labor rights where there are none. Another thing is that a platform becomes a millionaire at the expense of the work of thousands of remote sellers and from one day to the next it harms the vast majority without giving a damn. There is something called “employment relationship” and in it an implied ethic and morality is forged that at least in my opinion should be minimally respected, such as giving a voice and vote to the people who work for the company to exist. I don't know, I mean...it seems like asking to be taken into account would be crazy 🥴 Maybe we should stop talking, lest Fiver still feel offended for wanting to demand equal treatment and respect 🙄

Of course, the difference is that if you sell on Ebay or Amazon they don't penalize you for responding late, or for not having effective communication, nor do they hide you from search results because you delivered a dented package. You don't lose your source of work from one day to the next because of some crazy damn metric. There the mediation is the exhibition and little else. Mediation here is subject to many metrics that constantly require you to be at the mercy of the client or you're left out. We're talking about that... we're not making a thread about general labor laws, we're talking about how Fiver behaves with sellers. We're talking about people who put in years of commitment here and now have nothing. It's not as simple as you make it out to be, otherwise no one would have complained about anything here, they would all be selling on Amazon and enjoying life 🙄 That is another extreme and is extremely ridiculous.

Exact! That's what I mean! So, you are independent when you have your own office, or agency or client portfolio and you manage it your way, with your rules, period. This is not the same, although there is no formal relationship contract, you are within a platform that, although it is not paying you for a specific job, does manage the flow of money and keeps a % of your work. Again, I'm not saying I'm an employee of Fiver, I'm saying there's a working relationship, whether you like it or not, that's what you have here working with a mediator. Yes, of course you can leave whenever you want, but that doesn't take away from what I just explained, one thing doesn't cancel out the other. We can differ, no problem, in any case Fiver does what he wants and doesn't give a damn what we are talking about here 🥴

I think we know how to differentiate a job in a dependency relationship (white work) from freelance, irregular work or black work (as they say in some countries). What I'm saying is that. For example, I work a few days a week in a place here, however I don't have a contract, they don't make contributions to me, they don't give me social work, I'm in the black, why? ? ? because I only work one or two days a week, because I am friends with the owner and because it works for me. But... but... but if I wanted I could go to the Ministry of Labor and file a complaint for working in a place and not having a contract, I can present evidence and witnesses calmly. What would happen? that the ministry would force the owner of the premises to give me a contract and pay me retirement contributions and social benefits, in addition to fining him very high sums. So... your example is not valid friend, since the fact that there is no contract does not mean that there is no established employment relationship. On the other hand, you say that you work when you want and that no one should have this as food on their table. Well, first you shouldn't tell anyone what to do with the way they feed their family or home, since you don't know each individual's situation. Second, it is not as you say, since Fiver itself forces you to make the commitment, effort and dedication 100% on the platform if you want to be successful. If you are a seller who is not engaged, who is not online, who responds late to messages, who does not deliver jobs correctly, who does not communicate with his clients and blah, blah, blah, you have no chance here. Therefore, you do NOT work when you want, you do not do what you want, you are not self-employed here, for the simple reason that there are rules to follow and there are sanctions for violating them. Of course no one forces you to do anything, if you don't like it you leave the platform, but that doesn't mean that if you want to be in the market you clearly can't do what you want as if you were your own boss. Here you are not your boss, your boss is Fiver. I agree with the rest of the text. I send you greetings.

What happens friend is that Fiver hides your services because it surely considers that they are below the performance required by Fiver, perhaps a bad review or perhaps errors in the AI. Unfortunately you will never know. Welcome to the dark side of Fiver 👻

I regret to inform you that according to Fiver, deleting your problematic gig will not solve anything.