[Not getting orders? YOU(r gigs) might be the issue]

6 hours ago, evp_productions said:

I understand your point, but being a true professional is just not enough these days.

I'd love it if you elaborated a bit! My gripe is mostly with people who spam/scam their way through their online life (so those who lie about their achievements, etc.) I know that it's not easy to really 'get going' online anymore (people trust less, have money, bigger competitions) but I just feel like the way out isn't, you know, scamming in the end. Being a pro isn't enough because there's so many others who claim to be pros (and some who actually are).

3 hours ago, raisul_mina said:

Can't get order? Change or edit gig. Describe your skills well in the description

Thank you for reading my post on people who don't do their reseach/claim to be something they aren't/give bad advice! Your input is much appreciated. 

6 minutes ago, naeemmollah1 said:

To get the order, you have to be patient first, the next step is to be active right? Can't get order? Change or edit gig. Describe your skills well in the description.

This is EXACTLY the advice I'm trying to preach against. Changing your gig MIGHT help, but doing it too often will hurt you in the long run (and being active does nothing but drive you crazy..)

[Scammers invaded Fiverr, making us true sellers invisible.]

I've seen a lot as well - and my inbox is often bombarded by fake writers, too (though many of them don't have gigs yet, I'm sure they figure it out eventually.) I think what tricks people into buying these scams (in all categories) IS the prices. Why pay, I don't know, $250 for an animation when someone else offers it for $5? Now, obviously, the second one WILL likely be free stocks (or stolen from someone else) but there will always be people who look for 'value'. Fiverr has always had this reputation of having 'cheap and just OK' products for the most part. I THINK they are working on, well, changing things (that's perhaps the easiest way to describe it) but it will be a slow process. 

That being said, what I notice lately is that scammy profiles are being promoted less and less (what pops up in one person's search results isn't necessarily a good indication since the results are fluid). They are getting less orders which must mean that Fiverr is starting to 'ignore' them. It would be great if they would be just deleted, but I'm guessing that's not so easy(?) unless every single person is reported manually! 

The one 'pro' to these sellers (please take this with a pinch of salt as I'm mostly kidding) is that buyers who want to pay pennies for huge projects get filtered out...somewhat, that is. 

[Buyer left an unfairly 2 star review after telling me the result was "amazing!" and showing lack of interest]

2 hours ago, majidshowghi said:

Do you even sell anything on Fiverr yourself? as it appears from your response that you are not truly sympathetic to the seller's plight.

I happen to be doing pretty well, yes. While I realise that I sounded a bit gruffer than normal (I was sick all week and just getting my spirit back slightly) my statement still stands. And.. you know what? It's not necessarily fair, because people can lie and then give you a bad review. Or just skim through your messages and say 'yeah, yeah, great, amazing' and still get to rate you 'honestly', but there isn't much CS can do unless they are threathening you (the two cases are different.) I've worked a lot with busy people like that. Sure, you could argue that it all depends on the niche (and OP's gigs MIGHT attract some people like that) but the issue is still in proving it. 

I've dealt with people like this quite a lot before - they said they liked everything and then asked to cancel when I delivered. That was still the 'better bad' (in my opinion), but I still lost a lot of money. Because I agreed to cancel too soon, CS couldn't do anything. Had I pushed for them to accept it...

I would have gotten a similar review. Would it be fair? It's hard to say. Could have been a bad writing day and I actually messed up. Could have just been clients who wanted something different (in one case, it was revealed that they thought they were getting a much longer story?). Mind me, I was VERY clear about how long the story would be in my gig but... miscommunications happen. CS couldn't do much in that case, which I grumbled about, yes, but understood (and didn't bash CS or the site for it.)

Basically, the issue here for CS is being able to understand the reasoning behind each and every bad review/cancellation. They can't. If you look at sites like say, airbnb, yelp, booking.com and so on - you'll see LOADS of bad reviews as well. Some honest, some weird. However, they remain there because it's hard to prove that they were just messing around.

Now, COULD CS look into every single report (from sellers about bad reviews in this case)? Sure. They could also contact the buyers to understand them a bit more - but I don't think they have the capacity for that (and...it would ruin the user experience quite a bit.) It's far from a perfect system and I have suffered from it myself, too, but there's little that can be done but try and accept it - and try to see where WE can improve AND notice the warning signs of something not being right (e.g.: if a buyer curses you out, report, contact CS and cancel the order without losing out on your order rate. Imperfect solution, but works.)

1 hour ago, majidshowghi said:

There were some resellers who in some way held this "feedback system" and I hostage by demanding extra work or by coercing me into accepting their future projects.

 

(just PS.: That's a totally different case unfortunately, but I can see why CS would be able to help you out with that since it goes against the TOS. Leaving a 2 star review (for whatever reason, even if not really caring much about it during the order itself) doesn't. 

 

[Buyer left an unfairly 2 star review after telling me the result was "amazing!" and showing lack of interest]

I selected something to reply to to make sure you get a notification - and started replying with that. However, that doesn't mean that I picked certain things to reply to. 

I see that my messae perhaps upset you - and I apologise. But as someone who HAS been through similar situations, I just know that there's no reason getting worked up about it. It IS annoying when a buyer isn't very communicative - I just had a cancellation with someone who approved ideas only to take their word back days later. I was mad for a bit - but that's it. 

Fiverr feels unfair sometimes, but other times it's our fault. Who says i couldn't have realised that the buyer wasnt happy earlier?

I will leave you a tip that helps me a lot as a relatively popular seller who's had a lot of negative experiences. 

People who seem enthusiastic first and become brief / leave one worded answers through the process are likely to be displeased and don't know how to express it. 

People who don't communicate to start with might be just in a rush but it's hard to day. 

CS can't remove or change reviews because from what I assume, they don't have the right to do so. People being unclear / trolls is an issue and that IS what you likely encountered, but unless they leave offensive comments (or really lie) reviews have to stay. 

PS.;

Who says I will stay on Fiverr forever? While yes, being a TRS on here is awesome, I have many other projects in progress. However, you kinda need money to fund an indie studio... 

[Buyer left an unfairly 2 star review after telling me the result was "amazing!" and showing lack of interest]

41 minutes ago, greentyt said:

Please let me know if there's anything I can do to fix this problem or improve as seller on this disgusting platform that prioritizes their customers before the sellers and takes us a 20% fee.

Kind regards,

Is the platform really disgusting just because they allow people to rate you honestly? 

Here's the thing - some people ARE trolls. Some people have expectations that only their own work can meet and that feels so bad sometimes. But in the end, there's absolutely no way for Fiverr to tell whether he was in a bad mood or actually wasn't satisfied with something. 

I do prefer constructive criticism if I get a bad review (which is rare) but many don't really have the time for that. 

Getting that first bad review hurts but it's still thanks to the platform that you're able to do it - and you still got paid. 

It's totally fine for you to vent by the way (healthier than keeping it inside) but I do think it's unfair to blame the platform. Maybe there WAS something that the buyer didn't like? Maybe they just didn't want to be talked to - honestly you never know. 

It's tough but you'll get used to not always being able to understand people. 

[Not getting orders? YOU(r gigs) might be the issue]

3 hours ago, williambryan392 said:

I've seen this mentioned a lot recently, have I missed something?

I'm wondering if it's just the shift from 'ranking' to a more fluid marketplace that they are starting to notice (which WAS a while ago). The changes are major, at least in my opinion, but probably for the best, however I can see people who were told that this is easy money raging when they can't even make gigs at this point. 

I also had another influx of spammy messages - which might be that someone started telling people to do so again because it's the 'only way' now?

 

[Not getting orders? YOU(r gigs) might be the issue]

1 hour ago, advanceseonahid said:

i  think everyone  want to  get order  from fiverr yes  some  one  not be serious but  some people is really   serious so i  am also  trying  my best  to  get  work but  i did not but i  will try my  best  allways

I have a question for you! (genuinely!) When you say 'trying your best' - for you, what does that mean? What do you do to be able to work online/etc.? 
For me - it means research. Trying to understand WHY something works, why something else doesn't. New gig wasn't a hit - why? 
I try to see myself from a buyer's perspective AND try to identify my flaws. (on top of that, of course, I deliver on time, etc, etc.) 

So for you, what does trying your best mean? 

[What kind of trap is this?]

39 minutes ago, lenasemenkova said:

The hidden surveys are becoming a bit of a pain in the *ss, btw. And an effective tool to be abused. Because my November sales are in the dumpster and according to the success manager, this *could be* because some buyers wished there was more hand-holding through the process.

See, this is what I don't get sometimes. When I am constantly communicating with people, they reply in one word answers and clealry don't even read what I write (not everyone, some). When I just wing it and write everything in one go, my stats drop (been a while, I was told it could be because I should communicate more as well.) My issue  with the hidden surveys is that I'd love to at least know some average ratings - it makes sense that buyers can try and rate us more honestly, but there's little we can do to improve other than trying to guess what the issue is unless we know some specifics (but I guess that's another topic altogether I guess.)

43 minutes ago, lenasemenkova said:

Another good faith explanation is that the project was cancelled and the person went: "whatever, just take the money". But that's a massive stretch. 

56 minutes ago, vickieito said:

I feel like it - could be - that but yeah, it's probably some sort of scammer or something. Which is pretty scary if you think about it (this is obviously sketchy as heck, but what if someone actually places a proper order to bring others down?) Doesn't feel fair (especially with the hidden ratings and everything affecting sellers in some ways.) I'm surprised someone even thought to give you a review like what you mentioned - glad it was removed because that's just weird. 

I'd think that by now, tip jars are more or less against TOS, but even then yeah, delivering something random could only work in those cases... The few times i brainstorm with someone, I end up writing up a quick summary so that we have something there (or just something related to the order) just in case. 

I kinda wish the person responded to you, but I have a hunch that now with the order cancelled, you won't get much answer (and someone else will be 'targeted'. 

[What kind of trap is this?]

3 minutes ago, lenasemenkova said:

After screwing me over via all the mythical hidden surveys. 

This could be the goal? If they can't cancel since this is what they 'wanted' maybe they want you to take a hit? 
In theory, this could be a newer seller in your category (or anyone, honestly) wanting to mess with you but like, why? My idea is that maybe they'll cry 'my account was hacked!!!!' and still be able to mess with you (via a cancellation since I think you still get to rate a seller on why you cancel?) It'd still show up as whatever they put in to the algoryhtm (I'm assuming) unless it's just erased...? 

 

Another thing COULD be, if it was wayyy more elaborate one of those new-wave TikTokers who just give money/etc. away - but I feel they would explain exactly what they are doing (this is for a video, etc.) They'd never just stay quiet about it... 

[What kind of trap is this?]

Pft.

I'm sure CS can sort it out but uh...

Feels like an attempt to be able to give you a bad review / cancellation to mess with you?

 

[Not getting orders? YOU(r gigs) might be the issue]

On 11/9/2022 at 4:49 PM, vickieito said:

TLDR - I joined Fiverr for all the wrong reasons. Luckily, I was able to quickly adjust and correct myself.

I did see it! I was gearing up to get back to you all day, just lost the forum on my laptop for a bit (laptop's fault, not the forum's!)
To be honest I joined for similar reasons  - writing and translating WERE my only skills that I felt like I could do, but had no idea about business as a whole (this was back when I dropped out of uni and went 'soul-searching' (aka became an aupair for far too many years) and wanted to try something else on the side.

It took me way longer - years - to actually get good enough (mostly with business, time-management, etc. - was probably always a decent writer, just didn't know how to sell it) to get here. I think, as others have said as well, what sets us apart (other than, in my case at least, the constant impostor syndrome) is that we actually tried to change things, to improve when something wasn't working. 

I think that makes a big difference from people who just complain that they aren't getting orders (or copy those who do, etc.)

On 11/9/2022 at 9:17 PM, williambryan392 said:

I've pulled back from the forum in recent weeks. I was just too busy, and I found it a negative time suck, my inbox here as well as the feed was full of 'help me' from people that didn't even read the advice they had previously been sent. Infuriating. 

Yeah, it's been a bit... chaotic lately. Fiverr has made some pretty obvious changes that are, well, changing the site and clearly not everyone is happy about it, so I definitely get taking a step back. I'm working on a few more casual posts just to try and brighten the mood a bit, but I'm glad that at least people found this post helpful (or at least, interesting enough to read/debate)! 
I think for me, it took a long time to understand that you need to be able to SELL your talent - not just use it. When I see people trying to sell fake stuff it makes my blood boil because it reminds me of when when I was struggling to get things going, and how much effort I put into those first 100-200 orders, I guess? 

(the point here is - people are selling canva templates. I would write 5-10 words for pennies!)

[Buyer Request Marketplace - is it gone?]

21 hours ago, vimukthilakshan said:

with this situation not only new sellers just as the same with sellers who got badges could never maintain there ratings without getting proper orders.

I lost my (nonexisting) 'rank' about 3 times this year. Twice as a level 2 seller, once as a TRS. 

You know how many BRs I needed to get out of whatever dump I was in (because of a bad private review or something similar?)

0. 

I WAS lucky enough to have a few extra orders from returning buyers, but even then, I'm pretty positive that things wouldn't have been so bad for long  - I also tweaked my gigs, prices, played around with things. Lo and behold, right after the second 'loss' I became a TRS (so... I was doing something right). 

Fiverr losing out on sellers who are only able to score work through BR isn't such a huge issue in my opinion. If anything, Fiverr IS trying to clean up the site. Having less sellers, but making sure that they are capable is better for everyone, isn't it? 

I get it - BR was easy. But it was also spammy: the few times I posted there, I had 20 people messaging me for work. Immediately. And honestly, 9 out of ten requests there were unreasonable. In my opinion, the loss is very little in the end. Do I have TRS privilege? Sure. 

But trust me, I wasn't always so 'high up' in ranks. Worked my butt off to provide unique services to be here, WITHOUT the help of BR for years now. 

[Not getting orders? YOU(r gigs) might be the issue]

8 hours ago, zeus777 said:

I need to hear THEIR words.

Honestly, if someone messages you, I'd love to see what you find out! I see like, 5-6 spammy posts on here lately about writing, tried to confront them but got nothing. I do know that there's loads of accounts that just copy each other, though (which is even funnier when they are all incorrect.) 

Maybe these come from those 'schools/classes'? 

In all genuine honesty, I would love to hear more from these people - actual responses that might make it possible to either a, help them, b, just understand them better. 

What I have seen on TikTok and youtube before is people saying 'anyone can write'. Maybe this stems from that partially and just evolved into people spouting nonsense? A bit similar to how 'anyone can be a graphic designer' seems to be a thing. 

I don't think it's mean, especially if they even get something out of us wanting to understand them better! I just want to know why there are writers who can't type 3 sentences coherently. Just... doesn't make sense to me!

[Not getting orders? YOU(r gigs) might be the issue]

29 minutes ago, zeus777 said:

Or at least hear their explanation. I've seen fake writers here in the forum, but usually when I ask that question all they say is thank you for advice.

Honestly, I'd pay them (five bucks, maybe but still) to explain what on Earth they are thinking. I see the spammers here every day, AND of course all the spammers in my inbox begging for work when they don't even have gigs set up. A huge part of writing (and translating in a way as well I guess) is RESEARCH. Being unable to make your gig/advertise it correctly is just such a big red flag... 

I think in the end you're right about people only wanting the 'easy' advice. No one wants to hear how we (as in more seasoned sellers or actual professionals in their fields) got to where they are at right now. They want the 'sped-up' version - and if that involves plagarising, lying, pretending to be amazing than so be it. 

Everyone is complaining about BR being gone and people allegedly leaving Fiverr because of it, and here I am thinking 'maybe that's for the best, you know? 

[Not getting orders? YOU(r gigs) might be the issue]

Quote

Thank you, the sad thing is the people who need to read this most, won't, or if they do they won't understand it. 

I often wonder if it's inability of willful ignorance because 'we must be gatekeeping Fiverr' or something ridiculous like that.

In the end, I think if for anything, it's nice to write something that SOMEONE might find useful!
As for glasses, it's a bit complicated - I have astygmatism, pretty bad (lazy eye on top of that), so I never really had reading glasses. Techically, my vision for short-distance is actually pretty dang good (for someone whose eyes are wonky) but I need the prescribed lenses to fully correct it. Now, there MIGHT exist reading glasses that could help but I'll have to do some digging. Maybe... 
I'm basically just waiting to be registered here (moved here a while back) once that is done, I'll be able to get a subscription with a 3 pairs of glasses that should work the best for me! But honestly, I'll have a look around for reading glasses that are 'special'!

And I'm glad you enjoy my posts! I try to do my fair share of 'regular convos' a swell - I just think it's nice to be active and see what others are up to (when the thread doesn't get spammy!)

[Not getting orders? YOU(r gigs) might be the issue]

On 11/8/2022 at 6:56 AM, shalock said:

I've commented myself trying to give advice in some of this posts, but the OP never answer nor provide insight, I think that as you said, they thought that work onlime would be easy and have suddenly faced the reality of a saturated market (especially in some niches)

I feel like 99% of the time they don't understand where we're coming from (which is why I try to simplify my writing) but also.. I don't think they care. I've tried so many times to aid people, even when they clearly were in the wrong (unoriginal art, etc. it's very easy to spot...) but I think all they care about is getting the same crap advice they get from their 'teachers'. 

They don't want to hear how to be successful unless we think that being online is what helps. Basically, they are fishing more for sympathy than anything in my personal opinion. Some do listen of course, but... 

It's kind of rare. What hurts me is that when you try to help, you know it'll go unheard, but then you see them BEGGING because they 'gave up on their work to freelance' and whatnot (which could be just something they are told to say, but...) 

[Not getting orders? YOU(r gigs) might be the issue]

7 minutes ago, mariashtelle1 said:

What part of it did you find nice? 

I think the beginning is okay, and uh, the message is, you know, clear.... the end, yes, amazing! 

(sorry, I know not a question to me but...)
 

[Not getting orders? YOU(r gigs) might be the issue]

The past few weeks, the forum has once again exploded with 'but what do I know now' questions from what seems like hundreds of sellers, ranging from trying to guilt trip people to order from them because of monetary issues, to 'but my profile is purrfect, why no orders came to me'?

I know that this will sound rather harsh, but I feel like it has to be said (though it doesn't seem like anyone is listening.)

If you got 5 orders from BR in the past five years, you aren't losing out on a lot. BR was a great tool until is wasn't - and the whole point of Fiverr is that people can VISIT your profile and say 'oh, this person looks like they can help me'!

You know why they don't do it? 

Because they know you can't.

You are NOT  a designer if you steal logos from others (or if you use Canva to edit them a bit.) You are NOT a writer if you can't put two sentences together coherently without calling yourself an 'expart', 'expat' or another variations of the word 'expert'. You likely aren't an expert, anyway. 

Life is tough and people think that earning money online is easy, but it's not, and it's not meant to be. You need actual skills, just like for any other job. People who 'teach' you by sending you links how to cheat (using softwares that will do your job for you, etc.) aren't actually teachers, they are scammers - and they are setting you up to be the same, too.

So what IS my advice to you? 

Reconsider working on here. Think about whether you have the time AND funds to learn skils that you can SELL. You can STILL learn, but don't RELY on Fiverr until you know what you're doing. 

Remember, 5 minutes online and a sketchy certificate does NOT make you a professional.

BR was easier to bullcrap people in because you could spam them until they ordered from you (guilty of that at some point...) but now you actually have to prove yourself to get ANY orders. 

And that's how it should be. 

If you've bothered to read this, congratulations, you might:

1. be an actually seasoned seller who thinks similarly to me (or wants to debate, which I'd love)

2. someone who is serious about trying to get work on here!

 

(note: my glasses are broken and I can't be bothered to spellcheck this. expect properly written posts from me in January or so when I get my new glasses, until then, typos will co-exist with my grumpiness (no glasses+dehydration+computer work=headaches.)

[What is with all these spammers?]

On 11/6/2022 at 11:52 PM, nickj2013 said:

Or people interested in advertising their NFT project. Neither is an optimal situation.

Just recently, someone sent me a link to youtube (pretending to be interested in my writing), but with a twist. They were trying to make me subscribe!
I do get a good deal of NFT-related stuff as well that seem to be more 'look at me' instead of 'I want your services' but since I actually do offer the service, it's often a bit hard to say. 

[I start new journy on fiverr]

2 hours ago, nishayini99 said:

My children are starving.

Please, if this is true, look into doing anything else but this. Freelancing, especially at the beginning is incredibly unstable. I know that your situation is very real - I've travelled enough around the world to know.

But selling logos that look exactly like 100 other sellers isn't going to save you or your children. 

What you need is work. 

I'm sorry to say but I do find it hard to believe that you are such an experienced designer. Try another approach. Not on Fiverr necessarily but somewhere else. 

[Please tell me what,s wrong in my gig due to which I don't get order]

I will be honest - I don't have the time to list all your mistakes. However, I did have a quick look at your profile and I'd like to say just a few things. 

Will it be what you want to hear? Probably not.

Your profile is a mess. What on Earth is an SEO expat? If you offer SEO - or ANYTHING to regarded to writing/English as a language, you can't be leaving such typos.

Not only that, but why would I trust someone with such projects when their bio/etc. have lots of mistakes as well? 

OR when they are basically asking others to list their errors instead of putting in the effort to try and see what they've done wrong. SEO is an overcrowded category and quite honestly as they are, your gigs aren't getting orders for good reason . 

On top of it all, you sound rather demanding in your posts. 

You want to know how to get orders?

Be good at things and know how to sell them. Take an English course and learn better grammar. 

Work is work, even online, no matter what people say.

 

[Introduction - Timi]

5 hours ago, meaviolet said:

 I practically run on coffee and good food (currently thinking making some creamy pasta with spinach and ricotta for today 🙂

That sounds so tasy! We had a tapas night (outside) after some snitzchels (not Hungarian style unfortunately, we were too lazy so we used frozen ones!) but good food is just so important, especially as the seaons change and all! I'm stocking up on some hot chocolate next week and might get one of those wax melter thingies (I think you can get them in this one spot we're going to at least) so I definitely will try making it smell all sweet and cosy in here!
As for tips, oh boy.
The most important thing (as obviously as it sounds) is to know whose advise you trust. There's a LOT of amazing posts on here that honestly help you with anything that you might need help with - the only thing is that you need to be able to find them! If something seems too good to be true (even just in general on Fiverr, like a buyer saying that they will buy 131231312 things from you later if you give them a 90% discount now... yeah, that's not true. Same as how 'staying online forever' helps. It doesn't. (it does burn you out...and probably hurts your computer?) 
But yeah, basically the tip is that you need to know how to research/ask the right questions! After that of course, there's also the other things (don't be too cheap,value yourself, only sell what you're truly good at, etc.) but... I think those you'll come to understand exactly how to do later on as well!
 

[Introduction - Timi]

Szia Timi! 

Nice to see a fellow Hungarian on here! Just based on your post here (haven't had the chance to check out your profile yet!) I think you'll do just fine on Fiverr (and it's always lovely to see someone else who loves good food and books! 

The sun is almost starting to set here in Stockholm but I kind of enjoy it. it's just the right season for cosying up with warm drinks and movies/ books and games.

Anyway welcome and good luck!

Kata

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9 minutes ago, nughal143 said:

I am confused and worried about above notification Which I received today.I wanna just confirm that is here in my account fiverr detected any non original work in my account ??   or

I didn't get a notification, which of course doesn't mean I won't either, but I personally wouldn't freak out since I only ever sell my own work. You only have a reason to worry if you're selling designs (in your case) that aren't yours. 

Of course, if you're using, say, templates/etc., that may be an issue, but this does sound like a notifications to check out the new TOS. 

 

[How to best Conversation with my Client ?]

23 minutes ago, webzonebd24 said:

 whilst I I've touch my purchaser in order that they have continually speak approximately the satisfactory conversion

Rule number one, don't touch your clients.
- Sorry, that was a joke.

In your case, I would learn basic business English: take a course, practice writing (and talking.) Just based on your post, it was a bit hard for me to understand what you want - and with me being a former teacher, that likely means your clients will feel the same. 

I could tell you to be direct but polite, ask the right questions and make sure you don't spam/annoy them with too many details/messages/etc. but first you need to make sure that you can write a paragraph that is understandable at a first glance.