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[imagination7413] wrote Time/schedule, scope, budget/money, risk, resources, quality. If you have a small budget, you’ll have to sacrifice something else to make up for it. I am trying to figure out what sacrifices I am going to have to make [benedictrm] wrote: " The most powerful thing in developing a career is publishing and doing it again . Whilst all your energy is in this distracting fear you will deliver nothing." their ladder to success has no rungs: I guess I haven’t given much background about myself. I have been trying to make it as a producer/songwriter for the past 20 years. During that time I had another fulltime job so I was doing it at the side. During that time I have published songs and beats. I was very willing and eager to do it because I ASSUMED my stuff was not that good and did not care if it was misused. 10 years ago I worker with a rapper and 2 of our songs were in top 3 in SoundClick hiphop chart. We did 10 songs. I still considered my beats were not that good. I usually spend all my time improving my skills as a beatmaker and songwriter… Now I think I have something that has potential. It is most probably not valuable enough for someone to steal but its possible someone can try to steal them. That’s why I am trying to see if need to be careful now. In the past 20 years i was willing to let anybody hear my stuff or publish them. I think I understand what everyone is trying to say but I thought I needed to be careful. But considering everything It looks like I have no choice but to publish my songs/beats if I want to make it. I just wanted to see if there is any other options. I also wanted to talk about the example of “Ice Ice Baby”. To me it does not seem like an appropriate example. First of all “Under Pressure” was an established song from one of the best artist in history. Very different from my situation. I am nobody and my song is not at all established. So they can bully me and take over my song. When Vanilla Ice copied it he knew very well he is going to get caught. In my case if someone misuses my song/beat they believe they won’t get caught, even if they do they might believe they can win the case. But a good point of the example is that if someone copies my song and it becomes big then I get a piece of the pie. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks.

Thanks everyone for taking the time to respond. I got tied up last couple of days. [damooch916] - I am very interested in discussing with you about songwriting issues and I will do it in another reply or if there is any other way I can communicate with you. [benedictrm] wrote: I already answered that above. So long as you can prove that you were there first and that the other person traded off your work, you are (technically) set. But again, all that is piss in the wind until there is enough money on the table to make https://forum.fiverr.com/t/when-to-copyright-my-music-when-giving-it-to-sellers/625610/7suing worthwhile. So if I timestamp my work by posting it on the internet then I am technically set. Also people will most probably not make any money from my stuff so no need to sue. If they make a lot of money then I can technically sue. The problem I was worried about is if they make some money then if I have a official copyright then I won’t have to pay the legal fees. SO practically there is very low probability of this happening so its no use worrying about it. So what you are suggesting is “Trust the Song, let the Song lead.” (I don’t know how to do quotes). So you are saying I put the song out there and see what happens. The issue I have with that is that if the song is good then there is more chance that others will try to do something unethical with the song. So If I don’t worry and focus on writing a good song and put it out there then unethical people will be more motivated to do something unethical. if its not a good song I have nothing to worry about. My problem is that I am planning to write a lot of songs and beats and fiverr is the best place I found for hired work. I am on a tight budget cause I have to do a lot of songs. So I have to work with people who seem questionable since they are low price gigs. My other problem is that I don’t want to bulk copyright a bunch of songs and beats. I want to do one or two songs at a time and see how the songs do and how I can improve them. And then apply all my new knowledge to write another song. If I do a lot of songs at a time then all the songs might have the same flaws. We can talk about what unethical things can cause me problems if that helps. I think I should give a little more background on how I collaborate. One way is, I write the song all by myself and in most cases I even sing the songand then I give to a singer in fiverr to copy my singing, basically do a cover I will obviously have an informal copywright by timestamping itI am worried the singer will give the song to someone else in the industry whoI don’t know how will misuse my song. There are many ways they can misuse by song, that can be a long discussion to have here. I write the Beat for a hip-hop song and give it to a rapper to write the lyricand rap for the song. in this case the rapper has 50% of the copyrightone worry is the rapper will claim the beat as his ownhe may give it to someone else in the industry who I don’t know how will misuse the beatThanks [benedictrm] for all the very helpful advice. If you can add something based on my new discussion, that will be helpful.

Thanks for all the responses. In my original post I already mentioned point # 2 [benedictrm] made. Once you publish in soundcloud it is already copyrighted. But the problem with that is that if you sue someone then you have to pay the legal fees. If you get real copyright then then you will be reimbursed for you legal fees. Considering this you will never practically sue anybody unless you have a real copyright. That was my original question, do I send it after it is published or after it is fully copyrighted. [benedictrm] 's point #1 – I have nothing worth protecting, that is debateable. Obviously there are probably a million songs in soundcloud and none of them made it big. But people in the industry who screen songs are being sued a lot and so people in the industry has stopped screening unsolicited songs. So I guess there are unsolicited songs written by beginners or not established people that are worth stealing. Now back to my original Post. All of the sellers I am talking to are in the US so if I do have a full copyright then it might be possible for me to sue them. But I don’t even know who they are and they can leave fiverr anytime. So I guess suing is really impractical. Also a lot of the sellers I am trying to work with have very low pricing so I am curious how come their price is so low. The other point made by [benedictrm] I am aware of — it might be advantageous for me if they make money from my product cause I can sue them later. So the main question is, Is my song worth stealing? I guess I am having this discussion cause I think it is worth stealing. I guess there is nothing I can do about this problem and do what [benedictrm] said and “focus on finding people who are trustworthy”. But the problem is that I plan to use fiverr a lot and I don’t have a big budget and I am going to have to work with Sellers who have low price Gigs. So I am trying to figure out what I should do. What do people in the industry do when collaborating? ? Any suggestions would be helpful. Thanks.

Thanks, [imagination7413] for you great answer, You wrote: Do you know the difference between distribution rights, commercial rights, commercial usage, broadcasting rights, and copyrights? I looked them up. I assumed if you own the copyright then others don’t have the distribution and commercial and broadcasting rights and can not use it commercially. Am I correct?? So if that is true, then if they don’t follow what I specified above then I can sue them if I have the copyright. The problem is that if you do not get a real copyright and just post your song to soundcloud then you have to pay the legal fees to sue them. If you have a full copyright then you will be reimbursed for your legal fees. So my original question was should I share the song with the seller after I post it on soundcloud or after I get it fully copyrighted??? You also wrote: I hate to say it, but only those concerned with upholding the law will care if the music is copyrighted or not. Those who don’t care, won’t care. So are you saying someone who doesn’t care will do what they are not allowed and hope that they don’t get sued? Even if they get caught they are hoping that no one will bother to sue them. Am I correct??? So if they don’t care and break the copyright then what harm will that cause me? they may may steal part of the song and copyright that as their own (that may create problem for me later legally, they may counter sue me)they may may steal the whole song and copyright that as their own (that may create problem for me later legally, but I have a solid legal basis)they may distribute, broadcast and use it commercially but that does not really cause me any harm (if I have a copyright then I can sue them if I can catch them???, if I don’t have the copyright then most probably won’t sue them since I will have to pay the legal fees)they may benefit in other ways but that doesn’t really cause me any harmSo what are some other ways that it can cause me harm??? So are you [imagination7413] saying that it doesn’t matter if I copyright it or not since those who will break the copyright will break it anyway?? So now that everyone has the background, my original question was should I send it to the seller after I post the song on Soundcloud or after I get it fully copyrighted??? Any suggestion will be greatly appreciated.

I am a Buyer working with singers and rappers. I need to send them my music so that they can sing and rap on top of it. Do I need to copyright my music before I send it to the Seller?? If I have my music in Soundcloud or other websites then is that safe enough or I need to get a real Copyright??. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.