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Official feedback thread re: the new leveling system
williambryan392 replied to frank_d's topic in Fiverr.com Feedback
The bug has been corrected for me. It was nice to dream while it lasted 😆 -
Official feedback thread re: the new leveling system
williambryan392 replied to frank_d's topic in Fiverr.com Feedback
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Official feedback thread re: the new leveling system
williambryan392 replied to frank_d's topic in Fiverr.com Feedback
Massive agree. I am cautiously hopeful... -
Official feedback thread re: the new leveling system
williambryan392 replied to frank_d's topic in Fiverr.com Feedback
Fine, let me rephrase. The way they are referring to 'freelancers' makes me think they don't specifically mean Fiverr Verified Pros. And again, I could be wrong. I don't know. I suppose a support ticket could answer this instead of us debating lol -
Official feedback thread re: the new leveling system
williambryan392 replied to frank_d's topic in Fiverr.com Feedback
That's what I'm thinking @newsmike, also the way they are referring to 'freelancers' makes me think they don't specifically mean Fiverr sellers. FE is an FMS, on that FMS they can hire Fiverr pros, but also manage their other freelance talent. Obviously I could be completely wrong. I just don't see Fiverr letting go of 20%, and if they did not making a bigger song and dance about it. -
Official feedback thread re: the new leveling system
williambryan392 replied to frank_d's topic in Fiverr.com Feedback
I'm wondering... have they specifically said that there is no 20% fee, or are we inferring it from the statement 'freelancers get 100%'? Because maybe (and I'm just speculating) if this is an FMS, then it might apply to non Fiverr freelancers that the company onboards to that FMS, assuming of course it has been designed with non Fiverr freelancers in mind as well. I haven't read through all the docs, I'm being lazy, but I'm just a little surprised Fiverr didn't make more of a song and dance about this because it is pretty awesome if that's the case. -
Official feedback thread re: the new leveling system
williambryan392 replied to frank_d's topic in Fiverr.com Feedback
I think the extra 10 bucks gets you a success manager in addition. yeah who knows! Pure guess work. Why not charge both though. It would again help to remove gigs that aren't performing from the platform. I don't know enough about it, but if Fiverr gave me the option to earn something passively I don't think I'd hate it. -
Official feedback thread re: the new leveling system
williambryan392 replied to frank_d's topic in Fiverr.com Feedback
I think we almost need an entirely separate thread for speculation here. What could this next big release be? 2 things that come to mind for me are maybe... -Listing / gig fees -Expansion of the AI/automated (whatever it is) logo maker to other categories. -
Official feedback thread re: the new leveling system
williambryan392 replied to frank_d's topic in Fiverr.com Feedback
Perhaps they did that to get that seller some orders, so that seller stayed engaged with the platform. That way Fiverr have another engaged seller to offer buyers more choice when it comes to sellers. Perhaps they felt you were engaged enough with the platform. It's just speculation on my part, but there's likely a number of reasons why Fiverr chooses to give someone the Fiverr choice badge, and it's not necessarily just because they do good work. It could be to serve Fiverr's goals of creating a dynamic and varied marketplace of lots of engaged sellers and happy buyer. It's perhaps like why people often talk about a slump in sales (old system) when they hit level 2. Perhaps Fiverr decides at that point you've worked hard on your profile, you're committed as a seller, and so they can redirect some traffic to other/newer sellers to make sure they're engaged. Again, I'm just speculating. It could also be a bug! Who knows! -
Official feedback thread re: the new leveling system
williambryan392 replied to frank_d's topic in Fiverr.com Feedback
Perhaps! There's no way to know of course. That's where I'd disagree. In this thread we've maybe discussed dozens, or perhaps over a hundred different things (data points) that can impact score. Let's say though Fiverr looks at a 1000 different data points (I'm purely guessing at a number). Compare that to algorithms that analyze financial markets and might process millions of transactions and signals in real time to make predictions or execute trades. That's a lot more than a 1000. Or big data analytics where there are algorithms that are designed to get insights from massive datasets. These datasets can contain billions to trillions of data points, covering everything from internet search queries to transactions across global financial markets to the weather. Or there's OpenAI, or BERT by Google which processes and learns from such a crazy amount of data, potentially even billions of data points (e.g., words, sentences) to train their parameters. There is definitely the tech/machines/capabilities to do this on Fiverr. Now whether they are doing it or not, or doing it well is another question. But for a company that's worth just under a billion USD now, or was close to being worth $12 billion USD at its peak, I really don't think it's far fetched that they would have the resources or skills to build a system that considers hundreds or even thousands of data points to compare sellers to one another, and match sellers with buyers effectively. -
Official feedback thread re: the new leveling system
williambryan392 replied to frank_d's topic in Fiverr.com Feedback
Massive agree! That's why I stopped looking at the competition a while ago. It stressed me out! -
Official feedback thread re: the new leveling system
williambryan392 replied to frank_d's topic in Fiverr.com Feedback
Maybe, maybe not. If you were Fiverr, and you could do this, you probably would as it's yet another data point to help compare you against hundreds/thousands/millions of sellers. -
Official feedback thread re: the new leveling system
williambryan392 replied to frank_d's topic in Fiverr.com Feedback
This is all you can do I think. That's my approach. Not directly no, but indirectly if your competition is getting manually accepted orders then they could be. -
Official feedback thread re: the new leveling system
williambryan392 replied to frank_d's topic in Fiverr.com Feedback
Maybe, maybe not, what if another seller that you're compared against has delivered two orders in the same period, or quicker, or left higher reviews, or their communication was judged to be better, or they sold more gig extras. You might have done well on your order, perhaps the competition did better. -
Official feedback thread re: the new leveling system
williambryan392 replied to frank_d's topic in Fiverr.com Feedback
Fiverr definitely values manually accepted/completed over auto completed, the email made that clear (I wish I could find it!), and it doesn't surprise me, it kinda makes sense, but it is just one of many, many things they look at I think. Like you a lot of my orders autocomplete. This is definitely an issue, and probably amongst the most important, but also one of many that may impact I think. What if an order auto completes but the last messages in the chat from the buyer is 'I love this, you're brilliant, thank you!', and you reply, 'my pleasure, it was great to work with you, let me know if I can help with anything else'. Does Fiverr not look at that as well? I'm not saying they do, but I think it's very feasible that they do and this is just another data point. I think one of the main problems that people are wrestling with re this new system is that we're trying to find the key things that will make us successful on Fiverr, and I think it is so multi-faceted, there isn't one thing that makes or breaks. -
Official feedback thread re: the new leveling system
williambryan392 replied to frank_d's topic in Fiverr.com Feedback
Kinda, but with extra steps I think. As @johnparsons01 said autocomplete can suggest the buyer is disengaged. More importantly though I think when compared to other sellers it's not good for us if their orders are not being autocompleted. It's all relative between sellers. We know that the review of a new buyer to the platform matters more because Fiverr wants them to have a great experience and buy again. Someone who has purchased a lot already probably matters less, and someone who has purchased a lot from you already probably matters even less. I expect this also affects how impactful an auto-completed order is. If that same buyer buys again from you (or someone else) it maybe also negates the autocomplete impact to a degree. If that buyer always lets orders auto-complete it maybe also negates the impact to a degree. If they usually accept the delivery and rate and review, but don't with you then it probably has more impact. I expect there are hundreds of data points that in turn impact the importance of other data points, which in turn impacts the score. I even recall seeing an email or a post from a success manager (I can't find it) saying that we should actively try to get the order accepted as this gives a stronger indication the order has gone well / buyer is happy with the deliverable. -
Official feedback thread re: the new leveling system
williambryan392 replied to frank_d's topic in Fiverr.com Feedback
Okay you sucked me back in, but I'm off to bed after this comment... And you don't know my level status either or my success score- you don't know where I stand. You're making an assumption based on my views of the new system. Yes they might, or they might not. That's been something I've constantly said. The fear doesn't help. We have to wait and see what the actual impact is. Ups and downs are normal on Fiverr. For the data to be meaningful we'd have to give it a few months at least to judge. Anyway, night all. -
Official feedback thread re: the new leveling system
williambryan392 replied to frank_d's topic in Fiverr.com Feedback
I respond to rudeness in the same way I would respond to bullies: once, make my point, and then I'll move on and ignore. On this note what was quite a constructive and engaging back and forth is no longer quite so constructive (in my subjective opinion) so I'll leave it here for now. -
Official feedback thread re: the new leveling system
williambryan392 replied to frank_d's topic in Fiverr.com Feedback
And this is something we can both agree on. Same with people that use AI but don't mention it. Who on earth said it hadn't!? Massive assumption on your part. If you want the facts. February was my lowest revenue month for over 2 years, about 75% lower than my average month. You're just assuming that everything is fine with me because I'm not slamming the new system. The arguments can go both ways. Successful sellers can say they don't like it, and sellers that are getting hammered by it can say they do. That's allowed... -
Official feedback thread re: the new leveling system
williambryan392 replied to frank_d's topic in Fiverr.com Feedback
Is that really necessary/constructive/kind? I did find your comment a bit offensive, and I can explain why... referring to someone on the other side of the debate as someone: suggests by definition that I do not, that I am in fact narrower, shallower, and have a more careless perspective. I don't think this is fair or true. -
Official feedback thread re: the new leveling system
williambryan392 replied to frank_d's topic in Fiverr.com Feedback
Yep it seems a little odd, but I expect they are thinking there's going to be quite a lot of movement between levels 1 & 2, so it avoids the whole pausing / unpausing. I also do wonder if people need more than 10 gigs. I guess the 30 for TRS is catering towards those with big agencies that offer a lot of different things. -
Official feedback thread re: the new leveling system
williambryan392 replied to frank_d's topic in Fiverr.com Feedback
I fully agree the advice could be more actionable. It isn't hugely helpful currently. But it is more than we had before (but perhaps just raises more questions!) Again though I'll say that the data isn't new, and we are still the same sellers we were last month, and the same buyers are still here. Levels might have changed, but it's often said that you don't need to be TRS to earn more, you can have success as level 1 or 2 (old system), so with that in mind I don't think we should assume that these changes are going to destroy sellers. I'm not saying they won't, I'm just saying we don't know. I do still believe that at its core Fiverr wants sellers to be successful, and buyers to be happy, because that's how they make money. -
Official feedback thread re: the new leveling system
williambryan392 replied to frank_d's topic in Fiverr.com Feedback
Frankly I find this a bit offensive. You are assuming that I would only take the side that benefits me / aligns with my own situation. I find that quite obtuse. I'm happy to disagree with things that do benefit me. It's like why I vote for parties that will raise my taxes, even though I use public services less than average. I do it because I believe it's right. Anyway. And I yours. About 3.5 years. I can't argue that the changes haven't hurt sellers over the 10 years you've been here. I don't know, I wasn't here, maybe everyone was worried when it changed from thumbs up/down to * ratings, and I'll never say the platform isn't weighted towards buyers. But let me ask you this... over the 10 years, and this steady stream of negative changes, has your revenue on average increased or decreased? Because if we're all here for revenue then that's what matters. Again I agree! Comms and bugs have been an issue, and majorly damaged trust. But worry isn't reality, so I want to say again we need to see what happens. This is where we maybe disagree a bit more... does Fiverr actually owe us anything? I've had good months and bad. Unfair cancelations etc etc. I've always felt this was 'their house party', and if they change the music to something I don't like, then I can leave, or dance to a tune I don't enjoy. Like any platform, it's their platform, not ours. I'm not saying it feels fair, but it is the way it is. That is what's happening, just with more steps I think. -
Official feedback thread re: the new leveling system
williambryan392 replied to frank_d's topic in Fiverr.com Feedback
I think people are only caring about the optics because they fear it’s going to hit their revenue. If everyone here knew they were going to make more money now they wouldn’t be nearly so much up in arms about it. My point is we don’t know this yet, and until we do we shouldn’t give into fear. And these positive public reviews probably came with mostly equally positive private reviews. But what about all the orders that didn’t rate you publicly? They may still have rated you privately, and perhaps not positively. Ever been to a restaurant and told the waiter everything was great when in fact it wasn’t? I know I have. I dont want the hassle of making the negativity public, but if I could tell them secretly what I thought with no consequence or awkwardness then maybe I would. Admittedly I don’t think it’s cool they are now making elements of the private review public, but the private reviews have always been there, and always had an impact.