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I'm guilty of that. Well at least my 2-3 year younger self is. I was a crybaby, don't be me :D
Stay professional guys, keep that "it's only business" mentality
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On 7/31/2022 at 1:07 AM, chriphenix said:
These types of stories always bother me. I haven't yet gained traction on here yet, but I know the freelancing game. Why is it so hard for people to recognize respect is a two-way street? You would think they'd be more cautious when we're working for ourselves and not trapped under some corporate "the customer is always right" ruleset.
True, those guys don't understand the risk of messing with us lol. Like when you are in restaurant you don't want to mess with the cook, unless you want him to spit in your food
Imo its good to develop cold head approach when dealing with any client. If you are freelancer and take everything personal and emotional you're gonna have horrible experience.
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Cool tips, I would also add that it's good idea to niche further. I mean just doing web design is not niche enough and with this oversaturated market making a gig "I will make you a website" will bear no fruits at all, you will get only few views a day and nobody will buy your service. This could work few years earlier. A lot of top sellers who are web designers are specializing for example in making websites for certain kind of businesses or using only one CMS. This not only makes you appear earlier in search but also boosts your conversion rate.
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On 1/16/2022 at 6:55 AM, mihimaldesign said:
This is so much helpful. Most of the companies use this color theory. Yellow-happy
blue-trustworthy
red-chill
research yourself about these color company combination.
Yeah it's pretty popular, wouldn't say red is chill tho. Certain shades perhaps? But mostly its aggresive
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On 8/18/2021 at 9:15 PM, newsmike said:
Haha you got me :D
Still they use color psychology in there:
green = healthy
blue = trustworthy
red = noticeable
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On 4/14/2021 at 5:42 PM, the_mad_duck said:
What do you think of purple? I saw it wasn’t listed.
Sorry for late reply
Purple is similiar to black - relates to luxury products & services. That's why a lot of chocolate companies uses it, perceiving buyers into thinking that eating their chocolate is a luxury :D
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On 4/4/2021 at 7:19 AM, abdul_dezigns said:
Hi, @michal i have just read your post (Part 1 and two). I’m a graphic designer professional but new on this platform. Can you advise me a color for my gigs?
Hi, as a graphic designer you want to look as a creative person. So orange and yellow fits. We don’t want to have our gig images too colorful tho, so maybe orange + white or yellow + white?
You can even dig deeper and for example if your target market is mostly made of males then you can utilize that and use colors that most of man likes, like blue.
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Guys with no sales telling everyone to advertise on social media:
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Sorry to resurrect a thread that’s a few days old but I thought it might be useful to quickly outline what I’ve done to try and avoid receiving the ‘12 hour’ reminder / warning.
At the moment I’m getting more custom offer requests rather than organic orders. So, for example, in the message section I’m telling the client that ‘while I will be able to deliver your order tomorrow morning, it might just nudge over the 24 hours - hence me selecting the 48 hour delivery option’.
I’m still working on the exact wording - but basically by adding an extra 24 hours to the delivery time, it will avoid me receiving the 12 hour warning, and I’m still very clearly managing my client’s expectations.
@frank_d I know you said something like the 12 hour reminder message being used as a metric was just an assumption on your part, but hopefully by making the official delivery time a day longer, managing client expectations and, so far as Fiverr is concerned, delivering nearly a day early - this should safeguard my stats.
Others might want to think about doing something similar…
I will definitely think about this, most of my orders I need to time extend (honestly my time estimation game sucks im too optimistic) which probably have very bad effect on my gig performance.
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Though maybe it depends whether it’s only used to set the weights of all the variables for the search and category pages (though they also have used it for the banner things). Once they’ve set the weights it might not re-learn until they maybe manual re-run it (or automatically on a probably less than daily basis), to either re-learn with the same variables (inputs) with new data or try adding new variables (inputs). Like I said I don’t think the learning can be a constant real-time thing.
Maybe if someone from Fiverr Engineering could join the discussion it could help clarify roughly the way it is.
Great idea, I would love to hear something from fiverr engineers. If fiverr could host at least one backend developer who could answer at least some of our questions it would be amazing.
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I think @kendal1747 is saying that the people you bring from outside will help you level up, which will then bring better buyers - meaning the level will bring you buyers. That is how I read it, anyway. I think most buyers care much less about levels than us sellers do. Maybe TRS or Pro can help sway a buyer as they look shiny and different, but I think the offering is much more important than a level. I will add that you can get access to those same, higher quality buyers no matter your level through positioning.
However, I do not advertise or promote outside of Fiverr. In my opinion, we have all the tools necessary to market our gigs effectively within the Fiverr platform itself. We are given millions of potential buyers within the platform and a thumbnail/video, pricing, titles, gig images, PDFs, and gig descriptions to attract them. That is more than enough for me to attract buyers successfully.
Also, as @frank_d said, we will be getting the option to advertise off the platform soon through Fiverr, and I am looking forward to seeing what that brings.
Lastly, thank you so much for creating this thread, Frank. It has been a very interesting read!
Yeah much respect to Frank, its very rarely to see so good topics here
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You don’t get what I am saying. Once you bring in your buyers and they see what you have done and can do, then you move up the ladder to level one, level two, level three. You are granted access to better buyers on this platform and they are regulars from around the world. They don’t care to spend for example $300, $500 for a product or whatever you are selling.
I disagree, when I was level one and level two it didn’t really did much to me (besides getting much lower views when I became level one).
Now im not even level 1 and 2 orders in my queue are around 200$. And im just 18 year old kid right? People suddenly have a lot of money when you are providing something they desperately need. But you won’t have that experience providing data entry or whatever. Imo the levels give somewhere between little to no benefits, just as doing knowledge tests.
And if you will become level 1, level 2 or even TPS just by bringing clients outside there is big chance you won’t succeed. You have to take a lot of time to study “fiverr game” and how to make it bring you anyone. Doesn’t matter if you are level 1 or TPS.
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I am happy to disagree and that is fine. Fact: selllers have brought in big names and profitted heavily on Fiverr. Who cares about the 20%, when you are granted access to the best buyers and I do mean access. Not all of us get access to the same buyers, period. That is not hard to figure out.
I don’t see any point working on fiverr when you have most of your income come from outside. You are not really proffiting on fiverr this way? I don’t understand your idea
If you can get clients yourself what’s the point of using fiverr which main purpose is to bring you clients?
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Well, this is just an observation, but my profile grew when I started bringing traffic (clients) to my gig.
It would make sense for Fiverr to notice when a gig gets notices from “outside” traffic.
But again, this is purely anecdotal and I could be totally wrong.
I also feel like it. The more clients I have in queue the more is inquiring, while when I don’t have any sales im usually without orders in queue for 1-3 weeks.
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It’s hard to figure what went wrong and which metrics I dropped if nothing out of the ordinary happened.
This is probably the thing that annoys most people. We don’t know what we did wrong.
I’m all up for updates and I’m confident in the quality of my work. But I’m not a fan of drastic changes like I just experienced.
I did make some changes to my gigs. But they were long overdue.
I share this confusion a lot of times, though I like to edit my gigs a lot.
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In that case it’s not advertising. It’s promoting.
Yup right, I don’t know much about technical names for it. I suck at marketing currently, most knowledge I know about comes from Seth Godin book lol but I managed to get one big client outside of fiverr to fiverr
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In that case allow me to disagree. (although kudos for decoding Kendal’s reply)
I think that once a seller creates a profile on a platform like Fiverr, they should try to optimize to take advantage of said platform.
Spending money on off site ads (a feature that will be released soon by Fiverr BTW) makes very little sense IMO.
You are paying money for people to come on Fiverr where if they bounce, they will find 100s of sellers like you to choose from. (not to mention Fiverr has ways to suggest other sellers to your prospect even if they land on your gig)
If you want to advertise, then diversify. Create a personal website, and pay ads to send people there.
There are plenty of ways to advertise without spending money though.
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Hi there @kendal1747
I don’t quite understand what it is you are saying.
however I think the buyers you bring in should be in there somewhere
What doers this mean?
I did mention that conversion is a factor and promoted gigs are also a factor.
Kendall is saying that we shouldn’t rely only on fiverr bringin us clients but we should also get some clients from advertising. Which is true, still I don’t think its really in any way connected to topic where are we rather discussing how to get as much as we can from fiverr. Advertising outside it is completely different thing.
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Really gold article and nice observations. Unfortunately we can only theoritize because fiverr will never show us backend. I’ll be happy to discuss few points 😛
"Focus on your gig’s title, don’t try to capture everyone, don’t use pretty adjectives, focus on who you want to find your gig."
I think adjectives maybe don’t add anything to “relevancy” but if used correctly they may help to get potential buyers click more. What I see is titles like “I will write a killer landing page for you”, “I will write attention grabbing content” seem to have more sales than average titles like “I will develop app for you”.
"The new engine qualifies buyers and knows a lot about them, before serving your gig their way:
-their purchase intent
-buying history
-browsing habits (I mean on site)
-how they respond to custom offers
-when they spend
-how they spend"How do you know that? Its very hard to tell this without looking directly into code
Your tags need to be complimentary to your title. Not repeating what you say you will do."
That’s interesting will definitely try this.
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But, it works (2) 😉
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Wow, thank you for useful information! :star_struck:
Guys, what do you think, which color fits the music? I have music gigs and it’s curious what color they would be accordingly to this system :thinking:
Wow, thank you for useful information! :star_struck:
Guys, what do you think, which color fits the music? I have music gigs and it’s curious what color they would be accordingly to this system :thinking:
Good question, i’d go for something that represents creativity / passion. Like orange or yellow. Red may be good way to go too but make sure it will say “Look at me! Im passionate and attentive about what im doing” rather than “Watch out! Be warned, by buying this gig you can have problems!” If you know what I mean?
// at the same time, this green on your gigs really fits. You might not want to change that. What I would recommend for you is to get other image of yours for profile image. So that you won’t use same image for gigs and profile image. That way people will be 100% sure that this photo is yours and not some stock image.
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Yeah it’s about luck totally :rofl: you work in a logo design, now type logo design in fiverr search and you have 125 197 Services available, so you are competing with over 100k other gigs. And you wonder why you have no sales.
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On 10/3/2020 at 1:28 PM, tribeoutside said:
That’s actually what I keep telling my wife when she asks what I want to eat and rolls her eyes when I reply “Ramen Noodles.” 😉
BTW…I took your advice and changed the text on my gig thumbnail from black to blue. Let’s hope it gets people to trust me with their $$$.
More noodles more happiness 😃
That’s wonderful thing that you decided to take action, color psychology is very powerful weapon if you use it right. Coca-cola is best example 😉
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Stop using message templates
in My Fiverr Experience
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Don't use templates for messages please.
I did that when I was selling. Now I'm buying and it's totally annoying and unprofessional.
I don't even read those when somebody sends me :)