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Then they shouldn't pretend they have it. Let me rephrase that last sentence for you: "Using AI can help those people feign fluency and trick people into thinking they understand their needs, when in fact they understand nothing". One thing is using extensions like grammarly to correct grammar and fix mistakes. Ok, you don't need to have perfect grammar and orthography to understand clients (as long as you do not work in a writing related field). But using AI to compose the entire thing? Nah, no excuse.

"It spurs learning tool." I highly doubt chatgpt wrote that, as it's grammatically incorrect.

Do not do this until Fiverr changes the way the feature works. This doesn't work with request to order, and buyers can leave you a review for the consultation itself, which means you're under a lot of pressure to just tell them what they want to hear. If they for some reason don't want to go forward with an order after the call (you're not the right fit, for example), they'll feel like they've wasted their money and the likelihood of you getting a bad review is very high.

It will take a while to explain the entire situation, but the gist is as follows: Client asks to cancel order before any delivery is made, no justification. I contact cs, say I don't want to be affected. After a lot of back and forth (the first agent was a bot, as always with CS), they confirm both my cancelation rate and success score will not be affected in any way, and that CS can manually fix both. I cancel. Cancelation rate is fixed, 100%. Success Score of the gig in question starts showing "Cancelations" as strong negative impact, when it didn't before. I contact CS asking wtf. CS now says "the system just needs a little more time to update and shows this accurately, blablabla, success score is stable, won't affect you much, etc." It's now about 7 days after the cancelation. Still showing as strong negative impact. It's the only cancelation we ever had on that gig. Either they were lying before, or they lied now. Either they can fix it manually, which means it should go away, or they can't, they lied about it, and they are waiting for it to go away on its own.

Exactly - and here we can control very little. Case in point, I have just been lied to my face by CS, just like that. I have proof of it. Once the dust settles, I'll make a very interesting thread on the topic. This platform keeps doing the inadmissible, because they don't face any consequence.

@priyank_mod You're in the exact wrong place, then. I've never seen as much toxicity as I see here.

I could argue against that all day long. I do not agree with the commission on tips, at all. But pretending it is a surprise is a very different matter.

I'm very critical of many things, but I don't understand the point of talking about the stock price, much less of that screenshot. That's pretty much flat, nothing to see there. It does look bad if you look at the 90% drop since the ATH in the pandemic, but that was obviously overvalued at the time. It has been pretty much fluctuating between $20-$30 per share ever since, which is nothing special (good or bad) for a company of its size - tiny market cap = volatility. But hey, people who keep talking about the stock price like it's the end of the world, if you believe that just short it. Free money.

Easy, by not reading the terms of service of websites you sign up to. That's says more about you than about the website.

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Disagree. The new review system is far worse, for example.

I don't think that means what you think it means.

Oh, what I'm referring to is much older than the "new algo". It has always been a problem with platforms like Fiverr. The buyer has always had way too much power - no enforcement of rules by the platform (requirements, number of revisions, cancelation reasons), no upfront payments, the double blind review system, no removal of false and misleading reviews, etc., etc. It would take me a day to list all the ways this platform is toxic, when compared to direct dealing with clients. Every serious, established freelancer with a client portfolio I talk to says the same - "fiverr? I would never". That's for a reason. As for dishonesty, of course there are dishonest sellers, that's a given. And, sooner or later, it catches up with them. However, there are also a lot of dishonest buyers - and, to be frank, it's incredibly easy to get away with that. Knowing what I know about this platform, if I wanted to I could get a ton of work for free, or I could nuke people, easy. There is one, and only one solution for a fair freelance marketplace - to have a team of impartial, qualified, serious conflict resolution team to judge and decide disputes. Sometimes the buyer is right, and wants a refund. Sometimes the seller is right, and wants to get paid even if the client is unhappy and doesn't want to pay. Mediation is a MUST. Fiverr doesn't have this.

That's what you get when the platform punishes you heavily for minor things and demands perfection at every turn, while not protecting you from abuse. I've turned down people left and right that I would gladly take as clients outside the platform. I've turned down people that were paying quite well, for very simple things. 2 reasons, really: 1) Outside the platform they pay upfront, if then they decide to try and take advantage with BS claims, tough luck, I still got paid 2) Outside the platform they can't nuke my business with "feedback". Any buyer you accept inside Fiverr is a risk. The bigger your account is, and the more you're making, the more you have to lose, so the more that risk needs to be managed, and the more that risk must pay.

Well, that's just mandatory at this point, given the way the platform works. Hell, it should have always been like this. It makes zero sense to have automatic orders on a bespoke service. I'm not a factory producing the same widget every time.

That's not applicable to what I'm saying. This is not made to artificially enhance seller ratings. This is made so I always deliver a complete delivery through the delivery box. I can't and won't deliver things outside that, because then I get no protection. The client can keep the draft, or the portion of the work, whatever it may be, and cancel, for example. As for them replying in a timely manner... I only start an order once I have all the information to the point where I need zero replies from the client to get the delivery done. If I need any further info from the client... I'm not ready to start the order.

Break down any order into multiple orders if you feel the need to do drafts, etc. Never deliver anything that is not a full delivery. That just opens you up to abuse.

Taking that number, the extra $10 is 250k. As I suspected, even over a year, won't make a dent in a 100M purchase.

I never pre-deliver, so I can't compare. Was it always like this, or is it new behaviour?

Idk if this even ties to that in any way, honestly. This is small change, I bet. Are there any public numbers of people subscribing to seller plus? If I had to hazard a guess, I would say the extra 10 bucks will probably be going towards paying for SM's and the like, since that has been a total s*itshow, tons of people on the program can't get calls or even e-mails, they don't have enough people. A lot of backlash because of that, people dropping out of the program, etc. They realized they needed more people, that means more costs, and they're passing the cost on. The extra 10 bucks per user could help to hire a few more support staff, that would make sense. On the other hand, it would also drop the number of subscribers, by making it more expensive, also helping to control the load on the existing staff. This makes sense. But for a $100M purchase... the extra $10 per subscriber is nothing.

It's a buyback for $100 million. If they get even 1/10 of that with these new fees, I'll be VERY surprised.

That's interesting. Well, as a shareholder (more like bagholder) I like this. Give me that sweet exit liquidity pls. On the other hand... they announce they are going to buy back 1/8th of their entire stock (100M when they're valued at 800M) and the stock is totally flat, just 0.10% up in afterhours? That ain't good, this should be an immediate spike.

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Btw, could you share that pdf, maybe?