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  1. 4 minutes ago, katakatica said:

    To be honest I'm a little confused by how the grace period will function - was that this past month?

     

    Yes, the level system was introduced on Valentine's Day, but it did not go into effect until today. The idea was to show sellers their current score and give them a month to improve. Starting today, as far as I understand, there is no evaluation date anymore. You are evaluated on a daily basis and if you fall under the level treshold, then you will have a 30-day grace period to get back on track. 

    So yeah, that's why I am confused when I see all these countdowns and people expecting certain things.. They did make some fixes, like the cancellation issue, but I doubt they release any new feature today. If anything, starting today, the new level system is the one and only system. 

    I am sure that if Fiverr does launch something today, we'll have a news post coming sometime later.

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  2. 10 minutes ago, katakatica said:

    I'm secretly wondering if the update has already happened but because of the 30-day grace periods/etc. the differences aren't very obvious just yet? 

    I mean, they said that the entire process of shifting to the new review and level system will be gradual. The stuff we saw in mid-February is final, now changes are going into effect. So it's today when people start getting their new levels. 

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  3. On 3/11/2024 at 4:31 PM, nicks_voice said:

    20,000 reviews gives buyers a lot more insight into their experience, and why their review star average may be lower than the person next to them with only 1001 reviews.

    Well I am in that boat, I have over 11k reviews on my main gig and 17k on my profile, yet it's still 1k+ for Fiverr. Of course, people see the difference when they open that gig's page, but most people don't click.. Clearly newer services have a major advantage.

    On 3/11/2024 at 5:07 PM, newsmike said:

    Yes, capping at 1K+ is either poor marketing or lazy coding.  Excellent observation and clearly relevant in the comparison.

     

    I don't think it's either of those. It's just encouraging sellers to create new gigs all the time, at least in my opinion. Do you think they will ever change that? I don't think so. I think they are doing this in an effort to help everyone have a fair shot. But if you already have 1000+ orders/reviews, do you really need help? 🙂

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  4. 15 minutes ago, rudyabel said:

    If you have enough stat weight to hold you, you can glide over many of the pitfalls of the 5r maze. 

    True but then again, it will only help so much. At some point, you will feel the downside just like everyone else. And even there, it seems they just cover the past 2 years, so if you have been here for 5, 10 years or more, it's not like you will have a huge advantage.

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  5. 8 hours ago, ch6k0r said:

    The most unfair part is that most people who are going to bother leaving a private review are the ''unsatisfied'' ones while the happy clients will usual leave the public review + a generous tip and go on with their life

    And there you go.

    That's why some people have a very low score, despite having tons of great public reviews. It's unfortunate because those automatically-fulfilled or even publicly reviewed orders without a private review should automatically have a positive private review. But they don't. And if no one leaves a private review, but someone that left a bad public review did, then obviously that brings severe damage. 

    I can say it from my own experience, between March and July or so last year I had my worst possible tenure here on Fiverr. And I had only positive, in fact only 5 star reviews. Yet my success manager said that I had multiple bad private reviews, which made no sense. Aside from some people not leaving reviews, some of them leave those private reviews randomly too. And it took a long time to step away from that lack of orders, I was lucky I had return clients.

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  6. 10 hours ago, kingpirux said:

    seems that there will not be any changes, and the system is already running, so they lied about testing the system

    To be honest, pretty sure nothing will change on the 14th when this goes live. They are testing a thing that I've seen in my Chrome for quite a bit, and that's scores with double digits, for example here's how yours looks.

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    Hard to say if they will go ahead with this, but they might. And I saw on the forum others were saying about various different tests. At this point, I have no idea what they will end up with. But if they want everyone to not have 5.0 scores anymore, I guess this double digit approach will do the  job 🙂

     

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  7. 2 hours ago, kingpirux said:

    you are going to spend more than 35% of your income in fiverr

    Well the thing is, I've been fortunate enough to have my gigs seen as Recommended when it comes to Promoted gigs. So, based on what Fiverr says, my promoted gigs have a higher chance of surpassing competitors. But in general, I couldn't care less about Promoted Gigs myself, I always kept it on as an extra source of orders and for me it works that way. I have multiple return clients that I found via promoted gigs so.. Since it's highly connected to the gig performance or success score, I can see why it might not work for some people. Even in my case, when I had very few orders, it's not like promoted gigs was doing good. So in general, if your gig is doing well, promoted gigs will do well too. 

    However, I actually have a spending limit and in general, I am fine with it. I heard about people spending $50 for a single order, others get orders with under $1 spent, so it certainly depends on competition and niche. 

    1 hour ago, kingpirux said:

    i think you are beign paid

    Ahhh yes, the big bucks 🙂

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  8. 22 minutes ago, leonormiserol said:

    And yet it is unfair that one negative private or public review affects the success score more than 10 positive ones.

    It might be worse, because some people don't leave a public review, but they might leave a bad private review.

     

    Also a bad private review weighs more because a lot of people don't even leave private reviews in the first place.

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  9. Did they send an email saying why you were flagged? 

    As far as I know, if an account is flagged, then they will study the situation and make a decision. From what was said on the forum, the decision is final. So,  Will the flagged status ever be lifted or expire? - they will check the account and come back with a decision, if it was a mistake your account is restored, if not, most likely it will be banned.

    Can flagged accounts run promoted gigs?  - considering the account was flagged from breaking the rules, it's safe to say that you can't run promoted gigs, because the gigs are stopped.

    Of course, I am just talking from my experience and knowledge. Only Fiverr staff can confirm this. 

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  10. 15 minutes ago, edigitalmarket said:

    102 reviews of 5 star, 2 reviews of 4 star.

    Not a single refund, cancelation, late delivery, all perfect. 99% of the clients on it are returning customers for continuation on initial gigs that were on same topic.

    The problem is that those people with 4 star reviews, but also some with 5 stars might have given you a bad private review. And since many repeat buyers don't bother leaving a review... if you have a single or even 2 bad private reviews... then that can destroy your gig, obviously. And I will say for a fact, my success manager told me that even if public reviews are perfect, privately some people still rate you poorly. I had that happen last year, when I had only 5 stars, but the success manager said that I also had plenty of private reviews, from the same people.

    The thing is, we don't know what people rate us privately. And that is a major factor for the success score.

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  11. 2 hours ago, kingpirux said:

    Dont waste money paying pro or promotions.

    Well for promotions you'll have varied results. In my case, generally I have a 10x return from promotions, so I am happy with that. Others spend a lot and don't get any order. So it's more about the luck of the draw there I guess. But there are people that only rely on Promoted Gigs to generate sales, I know a couple myself. 

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  12. 7 hours ago, whildebrand said:

    but with the new rating system

    I see you had a 3 star review recently and that might have come with a bad private review as well, in fact most likely. That certainly plummets sales especially for someone that has a low sales volume. So I don't think that in your case it has to do with the review system, it's more due to that customer most likely leaving a bad review privately. 

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  13. 15 minutes ago, uk1000 said:

    Analytics page also says March 14th. So that should be Thursday.

    Sure, 14th, 15th... I don't think it would make a difference. If they are/will be making any changes, then those are already set in stone. I don't know why I was thinking 15th, maybe because I connected it in my mind to mid-March.  

    I am very curious if there are any changes being made. I think the customer-support-made cancellation issue needs to be solved, that is a platform-wide issue. But other than that, do you see any other changes being made? I don't think so.

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  14. 2 hours ago, daichi777 said:

    I haven't seen a single response from anyone at Fiverr nor any feedback acknowledgement or actual changes since it was announced and dumped on us.

    There are responses from Fiverr, there were topics made by them on the topic and they did reply to some questions. There are still a lot of questions and things that didn't and most likely won't get a response.

    The thing is, the system is still in beta, the new level system is supposed to launch on Friday if I am not mistaken. So, hopefully until then, they can still iron out some things. But it won't be perfect, and obviously not everyone will be satisfied. That has been the case with every Fiverr change, and will continue to be in the future.

    My issue is with cancellations affecting the success score, even if they are not made by the seller. And that was the case even before I had a buyer place an order, receive their work, ask for a revision without any clear details, and then after me sending multiple messages to come up with stuff to be changed or trying to read minds and revise, I received a reply from the person 3 days later, just to have customer support cancel the order 10 minutes after he replied. Obviously he went to customer support the same day and asked for a refund, but also thought I can modify and he can use the stuff for free. 

    The worst part is, the buyer can still review you, even if you never accepted the cancellation. 

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  15. 2 hours ago, dereck_s said:

    The new system is considerably more punishing to sellers.

    I mean, it had to. Otherwise everyone would still have 5 stars. My problem is with people randomly leaving reviews, and while the review interface can be deceiving, I had people that particularly said they made a mistake when placing stars, and there was nothing wrong. 

    I've been here for a decade and honestly in my case, the new level system doesn't seem too bad, at least since its implementation. I just hope they solve the customer support cancellation bug. The problem is.. I am not sure how they can do that, because some CS cancellations are valid and the seller was at fault. I don't think they will just forgive the seller and not have it penalized. But how can you train AI to understand that? Because they won't manually address these things. 

    I just think they might be finding a way to address this going forward.. but for older stuff, I don't know.

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  16. Customer support won't get involved and they expect you to cancel the order amiably with the person in question. You should tell them that unfortunately you can't do the job they want, and they should try to find someone else. Apologize for any issue or miscommunication, and share the refund again. 

    7 hours ago, tommysiu said:

    1) No transaction has taken place, no delivery, and continued reasoning with buyer to cancel

     

    There is a transaction, you have an open order...

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  17. 2 minutes ago, dereck_s said:

    That likely just means that my promotions are pointless because the other people in my field are likely being pushed harder.

    To be honest.. my main gig sees success. The others barely have an order or so from PG. Even if they have the recommended tag. So it's also buyer preference,  niche being too crowded, etc.

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  18. 3 minutes ago, dereck_s said:

    Have you been seeing more success with your promoted gigs? I've been promoting mine for awhile but I haven't really seen much success at all.

     

    I guess there are factors like pricing or how much you allocate per click..

    In my case, just for the first week of March, I had a roughly 16x return on what I paid. 

    I do have this under all my promoted gigs though.

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    So I guess when you have that Recommended tag, they push your gig more. So I can only assume they use private reviews and other metrics to determine that, maybe they compare with other gigs in your niche. For me, Promoted Gigs seems to work fine, I don't rely on it, but it's definitely a nice addition and it has brought me some new, return clients since its inception. I always left it active, but had a limited CPC cap. Now I have it on Auto, which means it does spend more than it did, but the return is also better. 

     

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