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You are professional with photoshop, doing that 15 years but only have experience in that design software but are limited in artistic skills? Do you understand someones business? Do you know how to send a message with logo?



Someone is artistic mind, have ideas and is very creative but not good with photoshop. Struggling to make what is in his head and finally makes it by googling “how to do that in photoshop”…



So who is better designer of that 2? My point is that people who work 15 years with photoshop call themselves professionals and think they are worth $500 for a logo. They use patterns, they steal ideas from other sites/designs and do something similar? Is that worth $500?



I do not say everyone are like that but that 90% of designers are overpriced. So OP thinks that $5 designers are devaluing his profession? No, they are putting it where it should be.



Designers profession is not on a higher level than some other professions? I listen to many designers talking like “I do not want to give my design for less than $1000”… You spent 2 days on something and ask for $1000? Why “designer” is on higher level than “php programmer” ? It’s the same thing and average designer is paid 3 times more. Now, when computers are available to all the people finally there are a lot more of designers and price will go down, when it belongs. Really, tell me the difference between php programmer and designer? Designer knows photoshop and use his artistic mind. Php programmers knows functions and programming software and use his logical mind. So why should designer be better?



Its like comparing Pablo Picasso and Albert Einstein.



So design work is no different than anything else. You need to have skills in software you use and limits are your creative/artistic mind. Programmer use his software skills and is limited with his logical mind. Writer is limited by his whatever mind.



In all the businesses there are genious people, average ones and bad ones. I just hate when average designers think their profession is on higher level. Glorious people in human history didn’t earn millions - their drawings, novels, inventions are priceless and they didn’t think for how much money they can sell it but how to make a masterpiece.



Guy who made a New York City symbol made only $2000 on rights for it. Nike logo was sold for $15 (or someone in that industry, cant remember). But that guy made a lot more in his life than 2000 counted in dollars.

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Reply to @calcomedia: I strongly disagree, a logo… if you do some proper research, costs sometimes even more than $500 if you’re ordering from a professional designer (ONE THAT ACTUALLY HAS A DEGREE IN IT) and not someone from china, korea, pakistan or god knows where … who has a pirated version of photoshop, claims to know how to make logos… finds a bunch of clipart on google and sells it to you as “their original work” for $5.

  1. it’s not original.
  2. you can’t even trademark it, since it contains elements found from google



    so… my whole point is, someone who has a university degree in graphic design, would not waste time here on fiverr designing a logo for $5.

    Same goes to Flyers, business cards, album covers, brochures… these things are worth way more than 5 silly bucks (or 4 in the sellers case)
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Reply to @photoshop001: Your profile proves my point even more… “I will design any logo for $5” listed as a gig there, I couldn’t help but giggle for a second.

  1. the image in your gig portfolio was so easily found on google, it literally took me 30 seconds.
  2. “I’m a professional graphic designer, 8 years of experience” - Follow up question, how old are you? bachelors degrees take 3 years to earn that means you have a bachelors (or maybe even a higher degree) + 8 years of experience? - that’s what a “professional” means to me !!.. I highly doubt you have any of those 2 things.
  3. Someone who’ a “professional designer” or a professional photoshopper even tho no such thing exists as a pro photoshopper, you wouldn’t waste your time on fiverr designing logos for 5 bucks after you mastered your profession…


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Reply to @m2webs:

To be honest, I take some offense at your comments.



I am a professional designer of over 15 years. I went to college to study all manner of artistic concepts. I’m well versed in color theory. I’ve learned the elements of good design, and I’ve learned how to put them into practice. I’ve created artwork for major companies and organizations; I’ve sold my art (in the professional off-fiverr world) to clients all over the globe. I’ve been critiqued by other professionals, I’ve been mentored by skilled artists of who work in many different media. I’ve studied the styles of master artists (like Picasso, Van Gogh, Monet and others).



It is career elements like those, that, for well-established designers like myself, warrant higher prices for our work. We can most definitely charge more for our art than an inexperienced creative individual who googles how to do something similar on the web.



Why? Because professional artists like myself have years of experience and training. And portfolios to establish and prove what our skills and experience are worth on the open market.



Believe me, there’s a big difference between a random person who searches online for tips on how drawing something for the first time, and a professionally-trained artist that has spent years learning how to do it right. More experience equals higher value, and often, higher prices.



The key with good pricing, though, is to always find a happy medium between the value that our design work is worth, and what the clients will fairly pay for it.



As for highly-trained me working here on Fiverr – “for only $5”, there are many more reasons to offer my skills here on Fiverr than than most individuals seem to realize. In fact, more often than not, my clients usually pay for gig extras, so to say I am giving away my work for merely $5 is grossly untrue. Regardless of my prices, though, my clients will never get anything less than a professional artist experience when they work with me.



THAT is good business. And that is how you earn repeat business. Which is, afterall, the whole point of being successful in business.



Anyone can claim to be an artist. But only an experienced artist can actually prove their worth as one.

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Another part of this equation is the education system. There are people that spent lots of money going to college to learn how to do all this. They believe their education justifies a $500 price tag. Then there are the folks that never went to college (or are still in high school) and study the same things because they love it. They study the same color theory, read the same books etc etc.* And they think that getting $5 for doing something they think is fun is pretty cool.



*I seen this first hand. I hung out at an art college with a friend of mine. Since I promised not to learn for free the teachers let me hang out in the classes. Their curriculum was going to web sites and following tutorials. So basically these teachers are handing out lists of links and answering any questions that come up. Education. smh

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It’s a scam. I’ve ordered several logo gigs from out of US sellers and they all serve up the same bs scam. Starting with a shoddy copy & paste logo that when you submit to Google image search, find out to be unoriginal and usually copyrighted. (One of them actually used the logo that was used as the cover art for an Iron Maiden album. Haha!). The thing is, being out of the US (usually India), they have no repercussions as they are off the radar and can’t be sued for copyright infringment. Once you complain or try to give a negative review, they cancel your order. It is sad that this scam goes. I’m sure Fiverr knows about it, the question is: Why do they let it continue? I’ve attached an image of the sellers that scammed me. Four of many, I’m sure. http://forum.fiverr.com/uploads/FileUpload/ea/0ee2af35c98a978bacb56ff5955354.png





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Reply to @phoenix7813:

Perhaps it comes down to the college, then. Accredited colleges are not going to be sending you online to follow tutorials. They are going to have art/design professors and visiting professionals who show you, with hands-on training, how to master the arts.



Personally, I was a skilled artist in high school as well, but there was a heck of a lot that I didn’t know until I earned my degree and gained real-world professional experience.



Again, as I said before, Anyone can claim to be an artist. Even those who aren’t trained, can draw. But only an experienced artist can actually prove their worth as one.





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Reply to @undead1:

Many claimed artists (often individuals from India, the middle east, etc) are here on Fiverr because they can make an income. They are here for the $5, and often do not have the talent they claim to bring to their gigs. That is why it is so important for buyers to make smart purchases here on Fiverr. Someone who is serious about their craft, and truly knows what they are doing, will take the time to make that clear and abundantly evident in their gigs.

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Reply to @traffic9:

Again, this is not across the board. The real professional artists here on Fiverr are not hard to find. The poor quality “artists” usually feature poor grammer, gig descriptions that are hard to understand, and project claims that are not well communicated. A real artist – a real professional – offering their services here on Fiverr will do everything they can to be clear about what they offer in their gig, and they will present their gigs accordingly.



To claim that all artwork here on Fiverr is of poor quality, is truly an insult to those sellers who work hard to make this a professional source of employment.

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An official logo for a company is something serious, so if someone thinks they can get one for $5USD, then they were looking to swindle someone their selves. For the most part I always thought the logo designs offered on Fiverr were suppose to be concepts or something to be used for a personal project. I would never think someone would try to make a billboard with a logo they received on Fiverr period. Certain professions and services charge rates that will never get to the point of $5 and logo designing is one of them. So hopefully everyone knows better.

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It’s funny how everyone is talking about $5 logos, when I made some calculations - after the fiverr cut, bank transfer fees, and income tax (mine is 22%) the sum is barely 2.50…



Gladly dollar is strong at the moment, so that to EUR is about 2.30 per gig.



So, if all my income came from fiverr base gigs, I’d need to make 283 gigs just to be able to pay my rent…! I’m not sure if I’d even be able to manage 10 commissions from different people every day!



Time to start looking for apartments in Spain… or I’ve heard Thailand is quite nice to live in…



Please remember, $5 dollars can almost equal to $500 if you live in a country with low living costs… so it might not be “poor quality” and you do know there are top universities in Asia too?

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Yes this is a joke. You all think you are so cute for 5 bucks doing anything and in fact you are shooting yourselves in your foot cause when you are all grown up you won’t get paid what your worth. DUH!!! Try and make a living when
you grow up! No go… just like a plumber, if a bunch of little itty bitty plumbers lowered the cost of their jobs and ripped off the new house building communities to get their supplies as you are all punks, so now you have your ripped off junk and you think you want to support yourself but now your are unclogging toilets for 5 bucks instead of $250 or whatever the disgusting job pays - and when you are ALL GROWN UP … guess what. You have priced your self out of the market you dumb ******* f’****s. You have priced the people that make 3 figures in a full time job but if we really worked hard could go out on our own to do and then comes you little itty bitty kiddies with your crayon version of photoshop took my ******in’g client away and i retire. Guess what? Your lifetime as a photoshop designer if you ever were… is very short lived. You stupid idiots. God shoot yourselves in the foot and give us the finger? You people are idiots. You are messing with supply and demand and it will fall in on your face.

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Reply to @danielrika: shooting your future in your face idiot. and your taking out the people that really know what they are doing you bunch of idiots who enters a field and immediately deflates it’s value, so in a few years when you are all grown up and you got a wifey and a kiddy or two or 3; wtf are you going to do when you need real money no monopoly money to pay rent; just because you are living off of mommy and daddy and can afford to Practice on your not so happy clients once you mess up and you will it is going to be BAD when you do. This is so stupid WHO THE HELL GOES INTO A FIELD AND DEFLATES THE FIELDS VALUE UPON ENTRY? What you don’t want to put on a business out fit and go out and act like a big person and sell yourself you hide behind this joke?! I am getting my people to SHUT YOU DOWN!

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Reply to @jonbaas: IF you are a high quality artist why don’t you put on a suit and start walking around your city and sell your goods like the rest of us have you idiot? Why would you deflate the value of your own worth if you are what you say you are? Idiots all of you.

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