Fiverr's support of Ukraine.... uh, what?

[newsmike]

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-military-chief-says-limited-nuclear-war-cannot-be-ruled-out/ar-AA11zxgE

Edited September 9, 2022 by newsmike

[leannelrivers]

Kaaay.... When I think nuclear war, I definitely think limited. Man, man, man. 

[newsmike]

14 minutes ago, leannelrivers said:

Kaaay.... When I think nuclear war, I definitely think limited. Man, man, man. 

Pretty simple equation now. 

1. Nuclear war between Russia and the West.

2. This gets ended and Vlad enjoys his new backyard.

You had me right up till the nukes thing. 

Edited September 9, 2022 by newsmike

[breals]

WTF is a 'Limited' nuclear war?  One where they will only plan to nuke each other during business working hours?

 

[leannelrivers]

'Der Klügere gibt nach' as they say in DE.

[newsmike]

24 minutes ago, breals said:

WTF is a 'Limited' nuclear war?  One where they will only plan to nuke each other during business working hours?

 

So, that top military chief seems fine if millions die in a global thermonuclear war over Ukraine?  Funny thing will be the people now saying "I support the limited nukes."  

Edited September 9, 2022 by newsmike

[newsmike]

2 minutes ago, leannelrivers said:

'Der Klügere gibt nach' as they say in DE.

 

 

[leannelrivers]

I'm gonna stick to the BBC for a while. There's only one story dominating those pages at the moment. I'll have a few sleeps without nightmares. 

[newsmike]

Just now, leannelrivers said:

I'm gonna stick to the BBC for a while. There's only one story dominating those pages at the moment. I'll have a few sleeps without nightmares. 

Yeah, but to be fair all that coverage is diverting attention away from Markle, who is the real victim in this story. 😀

[breals]

4 minutes ago, newsmike said:

Yeah, but to be fair all that coverage is diverting attention away from Markle, who is the real victim in this story. 😀

Ouch!  That's a whole new thread @newsmike  I will need to get some supplies in for that one as my reply may be a novel. With lots of profanities 🙂 

[smashradio]

I think you guys are a bit pessimistic about this. Tactical nukes are really effective these days. There's not too much radiation, it doesn't spread very far. And small-scale tactical use of nukes is not unrealistic in a war scenario. Just saying, he might just be a realist. 

And I wonder if you would be as positive to give Vlad a new back yard, if it was a part of the US he wanted, @newsmike?🙃

I think a lot of americans would say "nuke'em" in that case. Yay nuclear! 🤪

I technically live in Africa, even though the island belongs to Spain, and at the moment, I have to say I can recommend living in Africa. Far from nukes and crazy world leaders. We have a few thousand warlords, of course, but they're peanuts compared to certain western politicians. 🤣

Edited September 9, 2022 by smashradio

[newsmike]

39 minutes ago, smashradio said:

And I wonder if you would be as positive to give Vlad a new back yard, if it was a part of the US he wanted

The difference is that we'd fight our own battle. Not expect others to take a nuke strike on our behalf. 

39 minutes ago, smashradio said:

I think a lot of americans would say "nuke'em" in that case. Yay nuclear!

I think you'd be surprised. I think most Americans would say, not worth our people dying over, that seems about right. You should visit sometime and see how we really are. Sterotypes are generally inaccurate.

39 minutes ago, smashradio said:

I have to say I can recommend living in Africa.

If I recall Leo, you live on a Spanish archipelago off the coast of Africa, kind of a Club Med resort thing? You should read up on what's happening in SA. Ramping up genocide 3.0

Edited September 9, 2022 by newsmike

[leannelrivers]

1 hour ago, newsmike said:

Sterotypes are generally inaccurate.

True, I know some of you and you're alright. My German pals were pleasantly surprised that I didn't beat someone up every time a football match happened somewhere and that I have good teeth. 🙂 

Edited September 9, 2022 by leannelrivers

[smashradio]

4 hours ago, newsmike said:

The difference is that we'd fight our own battle. Not expect others to take a nuke strike on our behalf. 

I think you'd be surprised. I think most Americans would say, not worth our people dying over, that seems about right. You should visit sometime and see how we really are. Sterotypes are generally inaccurate.

If I recall Leo, you live on a Spanish archipelago off the coast of Africa, kind of a Club Med resort thing? You should read up on what's happening in SA. Ramping up genocide 3.0

I wouldn't want the US to fight this battle for us, any more than you'd want us to aid you in a similar situation. If we can do it ourselves, we should - preferably without nukes, of course - but if it comes to that, it comes to that. 

If I recall, the US has been fighting a few wars on different fronts over the years to preserve our way of life in the west – something I'm grateful for – and something I know Norway played a part of on multiple occasions, with out own specialist forces. We've also let the US us our country as training grounds for northern warfare in collaboration with the Norwegian army, and we're host to several important radar stations owned and operated by the US. So I don't think it's stereotypical to say that the American people would want to defend themselves – and that many would (and already have) died in the noble effort to preserve the liberty we enjoy today, both in Europe, and in the US. In previous wars, Norwegian soldiers died fighting Hitler, so I wouldn't say we're so different. My point is: I don't think Americans would take so kindly to Vlad stepping into your own back yard. This time, it's our back yard, so saying that a solution is giving it to him, is a bit inconsiderate. I did not mean that the American people is a nation of nuke-loving warriors. Just that you probably would defend yourself and if you did, I would go against anyone who said you shouldn't.

If you believe that's inaccurate, please, do correct me. 

I'm aware of what's going in in SA. White farmers are not having a good time over there. 

Regarding the Canary Islands, we have our share of African problems - mainly Morrocco constantly being a bully in the school yard, pushing the fishing rights a bit too much and turning their backs when illegal immigrants set out from their shores to come here, many dying in the attempt. 

I'd say we've got a bit of both. In the background: your resorts. Foreground: African immigrants coming in from the most dangerous refugee route in the world. Photo was taken by me. 

[terrygrantvo]

3 hours ago, leannelrivers said:

My German pals were pleasantly surprised that I didn't beat someone up every time a football match happened somewhere and that I have good teeth.

The first time I visited Berlin, every bartender, waiter, and shop keeper would sort of roll their eyes when they first heard us speak english, and then they warmed considerably once they realized we weren't in fact actually English.

Which is weird, as we americans are subject to our own set of stereotypes abroad, that are entirely of our own making, but no one seemed to care about that. 🙂

[newsmike]

42 minutes ago, smashradio said:

I wouldn't want the US to fight this battle for us, any more than you'd want us to aid you in a similar situation. If we can do it ourselves, we should - preferably without nukes, of course - but if it comes to that, it comes to that. 

If I recall, the US has been fighting a few wars on different fronts over the years to preserve our way of life in the west – something I'm grateful for – and something I know Norway played a part of on multiple occasions, with out own specialist forces. We've also let the US us our country as training grounds for northern warfare in collaboration with the Norwegian army, and we're host to several important radar stations owned and operated by the US. So I don't think it's stereotypical to say that the American people would want to defend themselves – and that many would (and already have) died in the noble effort to preserve the liberty we enjoy today, both in Europe, and in the US. In previous wars, Norwegian soldiers died fighting Hitler, so I wouldn't say we're so different. My point is: I don't think Americans would take so kindly to Vlad stepping into your own back yard. This time, it's our back yard, so saying that a solution is giving it to him, is a bit inconsiderate. I did not mean that the American people is a nation of nuke-loving warriors. Just that you probably would defend yourself and if you did, I would go against anyone who said you shouldn't.

If you believe that's inaccurate, please, do correct me. 

I'm aware of what's going in in SA. White farmers are not having a good time over there. 

Regarding the Canary Islands, we have our share of African problems - mainly Morrocco constantly being a bully in the school yard, pushing the fishing rights a bit too much and turning their backs when illegal immigrants set out from their shores to come here, many dying in the attempt. 

I'd say we've got a bit of both. In the background: your resorts. Foreground: African immigrants coming in from the most dangerous refugee route in the world. Photo was taken by me. 

If you have to choose between Ukraine becoming part of Russia, and nukes flying between Russia and NYC/London, there is not even a serious discussion. One is very sad, but it is the way disputes have gone since the beginning of time. The other is a horrific, end times catastrophe, as @leannelrivers pointed out, there would be nothing "limited" about it. 

[newsmike]

1 hour ago, terrygrantvo said:

as we americans are subject to our own set of stereotypes abroad, that are entirely of our own making

Gotta somewhat disagree with the "ugly American" self disparaging sentiment. If you follow the "of our own making" logic then you can easily extrapolate that all stereotypes are indeed the fault of the group being maligned, as opposed to the person casting the aspersions. Unless of course, you are suggesting that only Americans are guilty as charged when it comes to being true to their stereotypes, while all other cultures are not. That seems a difficult position to defend, without the Woody Allen, self loathing vibes factoring in. I'm working on an Anthony Bourdain documentary right now, and man, he may be an even better example than Woody. 

Edited September 9, 2022 by newsmike

[terrygrantvo]

34 minutes ago, newsmike said:

Unless of course, you are suggesting that only Americans are guilty as charged when it comes to being true to their stereotypes

No no, of course not, it's just I only have experience travelling as an American and I see how we tend to act when abroad. I don't have any first hand knowledge of what it's like to be a traveller from another part of the world. I was really just having a laugh anyhow. 🙂

Stereotypes are generalities, which is what makes them dangerous. I think we all get that.

 

btw - why is it that on some threads it says 'Your content will need to be approved by a moderator' while on others it doesn't?

Edited September 9, 2022 by terrygrantvo

[imagination7413]

1 hour ago, terrygrantvo said:

btw - why is it that on some threads it says 'Your content will need to be approved by a moderator' while on others it doesn't?

It's a moderator tool, sort of a semi-lock. You can absolutely still post, but it makes it easier for us to prevent any spam from bumping topics with zero-content posts. (It has been enormously helpful in the 'News' category.) In this case, the topic is a sensitive one, so the hope is to keep it on track and not end up with anything that breaks any of the rules. Yes, it slows the conversation down, but it's better than seeing this:

(Yes, all the hidden posts in that topic total about 5 pages, and yes, there are 25 posts per page. You all get this: )

We want to see the conversation continue, with constructive contributions. We also want it to be readable. This topic is absolutely still open, and has gotten interesting perspectives without delving into any bad territory. I, for one, want to see that continue.

[newsmike]

1 hour ago, terrygrantvo said:

why is it that on some threads it says 'Your content will need to be approved by a moderator' while on others it doesn't?

M0ds are worried that we may have a real conversation here, so they are filtering what we say.

[imagination7413]

As long as 'real' doesn't delve into rule-breaking. 

[newsmike]

1 hour ago, imagination7413 said:

As long as 'real' doesn't delve into rule-breaking. 

But it hasn't even approached that. It is a well mannered discussion, so the training wheels seem excessive. 

So why are we still being monitored like this? 

[leannelrivers]

8 hours ago, terrygrantvo said:

The first time I visited Berlin, every bartender, waiter, and shop keeper would sort of roll their eyes when they first heard us speak english

And now the British and American people who work the bars in Berlin roll their eyes when they have to speak German. 

[terrygrantvo]

13 hours ago, leannelrivers said:

And now the British and American people who work the bars in Berlin roll their eyes when they have to speak German. 

'es tut mir leid ich spreche kind Deutsch' is all the further I ever got. 🙂

[leannelrivers]

14 hours ago, terrygrantvo said:

'es tut mir leid ich spreche kind Deutsch' is all the further I ever got

I got through my first five years here on 'ja'. I'd just vary the tone a bit, sometimes pop a chuckle in. Now I can even use Genitiv and that's basically transcending reality. 🙂