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14 hours ago, katakatica said:

What could it be though? (doesn't have to be more useful than this, just.. maybe a tad 'better' for the people behind the screens.)

I liked your post, however, the problem is that the people who simp for the "always stay online" tips don't seem to care for the better tips like the ones in the opening post. Not much you can do when people copy-paste other's forum posts with tips about how to not copy other seller's profiles or Gig descriptions.

There may be some tips that are a tad better and even useful, though, that dedicated forum members might be able to build up as a counter-fad 😉 like, for example, ... "Writing Fiverr instead of Fiber will increase your orders!!!1!" but what normal generous tip-giving person would like to post such titles/threads ...

(Wait and see ... ;))

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13 hours ago, smashradio said:

But it's sad to see the state of the forums at times. This is why I suggested to the Fiverr team in a Community Leader chat I had with them, that we need a forum only for level 2s and TRS. A place for real discussions and work. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. We just got a new technical platform for spammers to use.

 

What would also help

(and not require anyone to make a big decision like that - I do agree that we "need" this, but also can imagine the reasons for not implying and at least partly understand and agree with them),

at least the people who are looking for the less sensational 24/7 advice, would be if the actually good help/tips threads would be closed after a while (typically, once a few good additions by other sensible sellers have been added, the rest of the comments will only be "thanks for the advice" posts), and pushed into a separate category, where they'd not be drowned by all the useless (example: "market your Gig on social media" remains in the red ocean of "Tips for Sellers", "market your Gig on social media, here is how ...." could be pushed to the special smaller blue ocean category), harmful (use auto-refresher, you can have two accounts on two computers, ...), copy-pasted from others without attribution, etc. threads. 

A "Gems of Tips for Sellers" category or something like that.

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7 minutes ago, miiila said:

What would also help

(and not require anyone to make a big decision like that - I do agree that we "need" this, but also can imagine the reasons for not implying and at least partly understand and agree with them),

at least the people who are looking for the less sensational 24/7 advice, would be if the actually good help/tips threads would be closed after a while (typically, once a few good additions by other sensible sellers have been added, the rest of the comments will only be "thanks for the advice" posts), and pushed into a separate category, where they'd not be drowned by all the useless (example: "market your Gig on social media" remains in the red ocean of "Tips for Sellers", "market your Gig on social media, here is how ...." could be pushed to the special smaller blue ocean category), harmful (use auto-refresher, you can have two accounts on two computers, ...), copy-pasted from others without attribution, etc. threads. 

A "Gems of Tips for Sellers" category or something like that.

This would be very helpful for all those who newly joined as well. I would have loved to read all those sensible advices.

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18 hours ago, smashradio said:

This tip is repeated over and over again in the forums: "stay online 24/7, and you'll get orders". It's bad advice, for several reasons. Let me explain: 

If you want to stay online 24/7, you have two options: never sleep, or use an auto-refreshing plugin.

If you never sleep, you'll go crazy. If you use an auto refresher, you'll more than likely get banned from Fiverr because this is against the terms of service. 

In other words: not a good option. 

So what to do then? Every day, I see sellers advising me to stay online as much as possible, so it must be important, right?!

Well. Yes. And no. 

Staying online can have an effect because some buyers might sort sellers by who's online at the moment to get a response faster. I find myself doing this if I have a very short deadline.

That means staying online if you're "not really online" (in front of your computer at this moment) will likely annoy the buyer because they expect a quick response from you.

If you don't reply immediately, the effect might be negative rather than positive. 

On the other hand: actually being online – in front of your computer – will help you respond to messages sooner, answer any questions, and help buyers solve their problems. 

But if you want to stay sane, healthy and productive, sitting in front of your computer 24/7 isn't an option. We're only humans, after all. 

Do this instead

Instead of constantly refreshing the same page to "stay online", you should spend your time being productive: improving your skills, gigs and service. Learn new things that can be beneficial in the future. 

The other day I delivered all my orders early and thought to myself: "I'm gonna learn something new." I jumped on an online course about color theory because I can use it to improve my marketing skills.

To stay healthy, you could go for a walk. Bring your kids out to play. Make a healthy meal. Or just watch a bad action movie while eating popcorn (we all need to have some fun, too!). 

Improve your Fiverr business

Suppose you want to improve your business here on Fiverr. In that case, you could spend that time making a professional gig video, design new and better gig images, work on your profile description, work on your language skills, take Fiverr tests to build authority and trust, take a course from Fiverr Learn, improve your profile description, read guides on the forum on how to optimize your gig and services..

The options are there, waiting for you to take advantage of them

Conclusion: 

Do you need to stay online 24/7 to get orders? No. Does it help? No. Only "stay online" when you're really online, ready to respond to requests at a moments notice. Responding quickly to messages is important and can truly make a difference! But staying online just to get that green dot is nonsensical. 

Having a great value offer that solves the buyer's problem while responding quickly to messages is the key to getting orders. 

Delivering high-quality work every time is the key to keep those buyers coming back for more. Repeat business has become more critical than ever, so much so that Fiverr now gives you a score based on the amount of repeat business you get! That probably means it also affects your ranking and stuff like the Fiverr's Choice badge. 

This is one of the best article to fight against the noobs.

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56 minutes ago, pateldrashti said:

This would be very helpful for all those who newly joined as well. I would have loved to read all those sensible advices.

Can't edit my prior post any longer, but that's what I'm thinking too, plus, it might also inspire more people who have real advice to share to do it more, and write in more detail, if they knew their posts would easily be found by people genuinely looking for advice.

Personally, I'm happier with the thought that even one person who really takes something from a post of mine reads it without leaving a like or comment than having a "Hot" thread with dozens of comments and likes and thanks by people who didn't even read it, much less will apply any of it. 

"Live" interaction is nice and fun and can be helpful too, of course, but when people want to avoid that their thread will be "taken out of discussion" and moved to that "Gems of Tips for Sellers" category, for threads that are more controversial, or call for discussion, they could post in the "Conversations" or "My Fiverr Experience" category, depending.

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1 hour ago, miiila said:

"Writing Fiverr instead of Fiber will increase your orders!!!1!" but what normal generous tip-giving person would like to post such titles/threads ...

Aha, I mean, proper grammar will help (indirectly, but still!) so it's not even a lie!

But

But.

WHAT IF - a new fiverr guru graced youtube's presence. Pretending to agree with the rest but STILL dropping actually useful information. I did notice that while the posts go unread and just commented, the videos do seem to have actual engagement (could be fake but...) It's easier to watch videos than to read, too so... 

(honestly though, with us trying to help... we could be just selfish and let them be. It's not like they are hurting anyone's business but their own... I'm just too used to being nice to people to bear with this haha)

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28 minutes ago, katakatica said:

WHAT IF - a new fiverr guru graced youtube's presence. Pretending to agree with the rest but STILL dropping actually useful information.

Please feel free to do so, I'll "smash the like button and subscribe" too 😉 but that won't be me, I tend to be too nice for my own good too, but I didn't sign up for the forum to become a new Fiverr guru on YT!

Maybe if you don't want to do it yourself, a spokesperson seller might feel more inclined, but not sure, wouldn't it undermine their general credibility if they'd have to pretend to agree with the rest ... 🤔

Might have to be someone who uses a separate YT channel and blur, or use one of those, what are they called officially, those anime avatars ... virtual vloggers, in that case.

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24 minutes ago, miiila said:

Please feel free to do so, I'll "smash the like button and subscribe" too 😉 but that won't be me, I tend to be too nice for my own good too, but I didn't sign up for the forum to become a new Fiverr guru on YT!

 

Honestly, I did consider it - sort of like a 'witty debunking fiverr' kind of thing (a bit like those reddit reading things!) I'm not funny enough - but I might still give it a shot haha. I just think it'd be an easier channel to reach people who struggle with English (this is from personal experience but when there are visual cues (and sound) it's easier for me to get a foreign language than just reading - some people are the opposite but..maybe? 

I feel like I've been losing my cool about the 24/7 thing mostly because of my personal sleep struggles - I probably wouldn't get so caught up in it if it wasn't a sore subject haha (but... I do think that it'd be nice if we could actually HELP these people...)

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10 minutes ago, katakatica said:

Honestly, I did consider it - sort of like a 'witty debunking fiverr' kind of thing (a bit like those reddit reading things!) I'm not funny enough - but I might still give it a shot haha. I just think it'd be an easier channel to reach people who struggle with English (this is from personal experience but when there are visual cues (and sound) it's easier for me to get a foreign language than just reading - some people are the opposite but..maybe? 

I feel like I've been losing my cool about the 24/7 thing mostly because of my personal sleep struggles - I probably wouldn't get so caught up in it if it wasn't a sore subject haha (but... I do think that it'd be nice if we could actually HELP these people...)

I think he is right because it is logical to help others by harming oneself?

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Maybe Fiverr should, in addition to "You only have 12 hours to deliver, deliver now", should also send notifications like "You were online and active since 20 hours non-stop now, we appreciate it, but we want you to grace our platform a little longer with your existence, time for a short power nap, Doer!" 😉 

 

The forum would get flooded with threads asking how long to sleep for the best gig ranking then for a change, wouldn't that be fun.

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23 hours ago, smashradio said:

This tip is repeated over and over again in the forums: "stay online 24/7, and you'll get orders". It's bad advice, for several reasons. Let me explain: 

If you want to stay online 24/7, you have two options: never sleep, or use an auto-refreshing plugin.

If you never sleep, you'll go crazy. If you use an auto refresher, you'll more than likely get banned from Fiverr because this is against the terms of service. 

In other words: not a good option. 

So what to do then? Every day, I see sellers advising me to stay online as much as possible, so it must be important, right?!

Well. Yes. And no. 

Staying online can have an effect because some buyers might sort sellers by who's online at the moment to get a response faster. I find myself doing this if I have a very short deadline.

That means staying online if you're "not really online" (in front of your computer at this moment) will likely annoy the buyer because they expect a quick response from you.

If you don't reply immediately, the effect might be negative rather than positive. 

On the other hand: actually being online – in front of your computer – will help you respond to messages sooner, answer any questions, and help buyers solve their problems. 

But if you want to stay sane, healthy and productive, sitting in front of your computer 24/7 isn't an option. We're only humans, after all. 

Do this instead

Instead of constantly refreshing the same page to "stay online", you should spend your time being productive: improving your skills, gigs and service. Learn new things that can be beneficial in the future. 

The other day I delivered all my orders early and thought to myself: "I'm gonna learn something new." I jumped on an online course about color theory because I can use it to improve my marketing skills.

To stay healthy, you could go for a walk. Bring your kids out to play. Make a healthy meal. Or just watch a bad action movie while eating popcorn (we all need to have some fun, too!). 

Improve your Fiverr business

Suppose you want to improve your business here on Fiverr. In that case, you could spend that time making a professional gig video, design new and better gig images, work on your profile description, work on your language skills, take Fiverr tests to build authority and trust, take a course from Fiverr Learn, improve your profile description, read guides on the forum on how to optimize your gig and services..

The options are there, waiting for you to take advantage of them

Conclusion: 

Do you need to stay online 24/7 to get orders? No. Does it help? No. Only "stay online" when you're really online, ready to respond to requests at a moments notice. Responding quickly to messages is important and can truly make a difference! But staying online just to get that green dot is nonsensical. 

Having a great value offer that solves the buyer's problem while responding quickly to messages is the key to getting orders. 

Delivering high-quality work every time is the key to keep those buyers coming back for more. Repeat business has become more critical than ever, so much so that Fiverr now gives you a score based on the amount of repeat business you get! That probably means it also affects your ranking and stuff like the Fiverr's Choice badge. 

I have seen "response time" on few "top rated sellers" as well as "Level 2 sellers" having 50+ orders in queue to be 3-7 hours. That means that they're not online 24/7 and yet their business is booming. So it says that, it's more about the attention to detail while replying to queries rather than how speedily you do attend them. 🙂 The same thing is explained in this course offered for free by Fiverr Online Freelancing Essentials: Be A Successful Fiverr Seller

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On 8/5/2021 at 10:14 PM, smashradio said:

This tip is repeated over and over again in the forums: "stay online 24/7, and you'll get orders". It's bad advice, for several reasons. Let me explain: 

If you want to stay online 24/7, you have two options: never sleep, or use an auto-refreshing plugin.

If you never sleep, you'll go crazy. If you use an auto refresher, you'll more than likely get banned from Fiverr because this is against the terms of service. 

In other words: not a good option. 

So what to do then? Every day, I see sellers advising me to stay online as much as possible, so it must be important, right?!

Well. Yes. And no. 

Staying online can have an effect because some buyers might sort sellers by who's online at the moment to get a response faster. I find myself doing this if I have a very short deadline.

That means staying online if you're "not really online" (in front of your computer at this moment) will likely annoy the buyer because they expect a quick response from you.

If you don't reply immediately, the effect might be negative rather than positive. 

On the other hand: actually being online – in front of your computer – will help you respond to messages sooner, answer any questions, and help buyers solve their problems. 

But if you want to stay sane, healthy and productive, sitting in front of your computer 24/7 isn't an option. We're only humans, after all. 

Do this instead

Instead of constantly refreshing the same page to "stay online", you should spend your time being productive: improving your skills, gigs and service. Learn new things that can be beneficial in the future. 

The other day I delivered all my orders early and thought to myself: "I'm gonna learn something new." I jumped on an online course about color theory because I can use it to improve my marketing skills.

To stay healthy, you could go for a walk. Bring your kids out to play. Make a healthy meal. Or just watch a bad action movie while eating popcorn (we all need to have some fun, too!). 

Improve your Fiverr business

Suppose you want to improve your business here on Fiverr. In that case, you could spend that time making a professional gig video, design new and better gig images, work on your profile description, work on your language skills, take Fiverr tests to build authority and trust, take a course from Fiverr Learn, improve your profile description, read guides on the forum on how to optimize your gig and services..

The options are there, waiting for you to take advantage of them

Conclusion: 

Do you need to stay online 24/7 to get orders? No. Does it help? No. Only "stay online" when you're really online, ready to respond to requests at a moments notice. Responding quickly to messages is important and can truly make a difference! But staying online just to get that green dot is nonsensical. 

Having a great value offer that solves the buyer's problem while responding quickly to messages is the key to getting orders. 

Delivering high-quality work every time is the key to keep those buyers coming back for more. Repeat business has become more critical than ever, so much so that Fiverr now gives you a score based on the amount of repeat business you get! That probably means it also affects your ranking and stuff like the Fiverr's Choice badge. 

Thank you so much. It is a valuable information for new seller.

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On 8/5/2021 at 8:14 PM, smashradio said:

This tip is repeated over and over again in the forums: "stay online 24/7, and you'll get orders". It's bad advice, for several reasons. Let me explain: 

If you want to stay online 24/7, you have two options: never sleep, or use an auto-refreshing plugin.

If you never sleep, you'll go crazy. If you use an auto refresher, you'll more than likely get banned from Fiverr because this is against the terms of service. 

In other words: not a good option. 

So what to do then? Every day, I see sellers advising me to stay online as much as possible, so it must be important, right?!

Well. Yes. And no. 

Staying online can have an effect because some buyers might sort sellers by who's online at the moment to get a response faster. I find myself doing this if I have a very short deadline.

That means staying online if you're "not really online" (in front of your computer at this moment) will likely annoy the buyer because they expect a quick response from you.

If you don't reply immediately, the effect might be negative rather than positive. 

On the other hand: actually being online – in front of your computer – will help you respond to messages sooner, answer any questions, and help buyers solve their problems. 

But if you want to stay sane, healthy and productive, sitting in front of your computer 24/7 isn't an option. We're only humans, after all. 

Do this instead

Instead of constantly refreshing the same page to "stay online", you should spend your time being productive: improving your skills, gigs and service. Learn new things that can be beneficial in the future. 

The other day I delivered all my orders early and thought to myself: "I'm gonna learn something new." I jumped on an online course about color theory because I can use it to improve my marketing skills.

To stay healthy, you could go for a walk. Bring your kids out to play. Make a healthy meal. Or just watch a bad action movie while eating popcorn (we all need to have some fun, too!). 

Improve your Fiverr business

Suppose you want to improve your business here on Fiverr. In that case, you could spend that time making a professional gig video, design new and better gig images, work on your profile description, work on your language skills, take Fiverr tests to build authority and trust, take a course from Fiverr Learn, improve your profile description, read guides on the forum on how to optimize your gig and services..

The options are there, waiting for you to take advantage of them

Conclusion: 

Do you need to stay online 24/7 to get orders? No. Does it help? No. Only "stay online" when you're really online, ready to respond to requests at a moments notice. Responding quickly to messages is important and can truly make a difference! But staying online just to get that green dot is nonsensical. 

Having a great value offer that solves the buyer's problem while responding quickly to messages is the key to getting orders. 

Delivering high-quality work every time is the key to keep those buyers coming back for more. Repeat business has become more critical than ever, so much so that Fiverr now gives you a score based on the amount of repeat business you get! That probably means it also affects your ranking and stuff like the Fiverr's Choice badge. 

Thanks for your valuable tips

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On 8/5/2021 at 8:14 PM, smashradio said:

This tip is repeated over and over again in the forums: "stay online 24/7, and you'll get orders". It's bad advice, for several reasons. Let me explain: 

If you want to stay online 24/7, you have two options: never sleep, or use an auto-refreshing plugin.

If you never sleep, you'll go crazy. If you use an auto refresher, you'll more than likely get banned from Fiverr because this is against the terms of service. 

In other words: not a good option. 

So what to do then? Every day, I see sellers advising me to stay online as much as possible, so it must be important, right?!

Well. Yes. And no. 

Staying online can have an effect because some buyers might sort sellers by who's online at the moment to get a response faster. I find myself doing this if I have a very short deadline.

That means staying online if you're "not really online" (in front of your computer at this moment) will likely annoy the buyer because they expect a quick response from you.

If you don't reply immediately, the effect might be negative rather than positive. 

On the other hand: actually being online – in front of your computer – will help you respond to messages sooner, answer any questions, and help buyers solve their problems. 

But if you want to stay sane, healthy and productive, sitting in front of your computer 24/7 isn't an option. We're only humans, after all. 

Do this instead

Instead of constantly refreshing the same page to "stay online", you should spend your time being productive: improving your skills, gigs and service. Learn new things that can be beneficial in the future. 

The other day I delivered all my orders early and thought to myself: "I'm gonna learn something new." I jumped on an online course about color theory because I can use it to improve my marketing skills.

To stay healthy, you could go for a walk. Bring your kids out to play. Make a healthy meal. Or just watch a bad action movie while eating popcorn (we all need to have some fun, too!). 

Improve your Fiverr business

Suppose you want to improve your business here on Fiverr. In that case, you could spend that time making a professional gig video, design new and better gig images, work on your profile description, work on your language skills, take Fiverr tests to build authority and trust, take a course from Fiverr Learn, improve your profile description, read guides on the forum on how to optimize your gig and services..

The options are there, waiting for you to take advantage of them

Conclusion: 

Do you need to stay online 24/7 to get orders? No. Does it help? No. Only "stay online" when you're really online, ready to respond to requests at a moments notice. Responding quickly to messages is important and can truly make a difference! But staying online just to get that green dot is nonsensical. 

Having a great value offer that solves the buyer's problem while responding quickly to messages is the key to getting orders. 

Delivering high-quality work every time is the key to keep those buyers coming back for more. Repeat business has become more critical than ever, so much so that Fiverr now gives you a score based on the amount of repeat business you get! That probably means it also affects your ranking and stuff like the Fiverr's Choice badge. 

Agree with you, thank you so much

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On 8/6/2021 at 3:15 PM, hencebranding said:

I have seen "response time" on few "top rated sellers" as well as "Level 2 sellers" having 50+ orders in queue to be 3-7 hours. That means that they're not online 24/7 and yet their business is booming. So it says that, it's more about the attention to detail while replying to queries rather than how speedily you do attend them. 🙂 The same thing is explained in this course offered for free by Fiverr Online Freelancing Essentials: Be A Successful Fiverr Seller

Yes, the attention you give to each buyer when responding is crucial indeed. But I know for a fact (after actually measuring this in a spreadsheet, because I like data) that responding to messages after the 1-hour mark drops your chances of landing a sale (at least in my case) by about 30%. If the response time is +3 hours, the chances drop by about 50% on average. 

Messages sent at night have an on average lower drop rate than messages sent during normal business hours. Since you'll have clients from all over the world on Fiverr, "normal business hours" will depend on where your main income comes from. 

So there is something to this. But that doesn't mean you should just send "Hello. I will get back to you." just to keep your response time low. The response should always be useful and well thought out, otherwise you're just wasting the buyers time. 

 

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