newsmike Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 (edited) I offer this advice to truly help with a problem I see every day on the forum and in many gigs. It is not meant to offend, but as constructive advice. Like it or not, fiverr is an English based platform in a global economy. Without sugar coating this, there are thousands of posts here with terribly broken English. If you are not a native speaker, the best thing you can do is polish your English skills. There are some non native speakers here who are as proficient as if they were born in the US. However, they are not the majority. I would never join a site run in Italian, French or Chinese, and expect to be successful, even with Google translate. Secret: Google translate is good enough to get you to the train station in any language. It is terrible at fixing verb tenses and probably mis-conjugates verbs as often as it gets them right. That's why we keep seeing huge tells like: No sales since one week, I am new in fiverr, and hundreds more. In the forum we tend to just look past these things, and occasionally snicker at the most egregious. But in the gig arena, and in your messaging to clients, this will be a make or break. If I sense communications issues, I will always look to find someone who can easily communicate with me. And on fiverr, English is king. Edited July 18, 2021 by newsmike 34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katakatica Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 It's difficult to be a non-native freelancer: there's already a "stigma" on us in most fields. (I used to be heckled a lot when I was applying to teaching jobs. Makes sense, but when you start with a disadvantage, you NEED to learn how to deal with it - or make it into an advantage, if possible.) The cool thing is, one can ALWAYS keep take classes/or even commit to a free speaking course online that can help - one of the main excuses I used to give (for my French, mostly) was "but it's so expensive!" True - but there's plenty of free classes, too. When there's a will, there's way! (I'm rambling about all this so people who are struggling to start with don't get discouraged when they read the rest of my post!) I feel like the main issue here is communication as a whole. Not necessarily grammar/vocab issues per say but stuff like... understanding and being able to express yourself. It's a whole lot different from just being able to skim through a few pages of a book and 'kinda get' what one's reading. I can understand about 10% of written mandarin I see on sites/when I read comics - but that's nowhere near enough to actually WORK in the language. (...I tried.) I might tell someone - I want a purple pony with a green horn and pink wings - but when you put that through google translate (or try to solve that riddle on your own) you might mess up the order. The pony might end up green with a pink horn and purple wings. It's a small error, can be revised easily but when you think bigger than just a single drawing (like, websites, or music, videos, etc.) OR even hundreds of illustrations, not being able to understand the gist of what's someone is asked to do can cause issues. 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aminul_rajon_ Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 I appreciate your thinking about something exceptional and necessary as well. Topic of great importance. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azadfardin01 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, katakatica said: but when you start with a disadvantage, you NEED to learn how to deal with it - or make it into an advantage, if possible. Agreed, not being a native speaker has it perks, as you're more likely to receive orders from buyers from your country. I received a handful of orders from buyers from Italy, but I wouldn't have gone anywhere without clients from all around the world, only 10% of all the orders I've received so far were from other Italians. 4 hours ago, newsmike said: Secret: Google translate is good enough to get you to the train station in any language. It is terrible at fixing verb tenses and probably mis-conjugates verbs as often as it gets them right. I've been on Fiverr for 7 months and still can't spell 'definitely' without using Google Translate or double checking, lol Edited July 18, 2021 by azadfardin01 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsmike Posted July 18, 2021 Author Share Posted July 18, 2021 17 minutes ago, azadfardin01 said: I've been on Fiverr for 7 months and still can't spell 'definitely' without using Google Translate or double checking, lol We all have those problematic words. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visualstudios Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 Been saying just that for the longest time. The most important skill you must have to be successful here is English. Doesn't mater if you have mastered x or y if you can't communicate that to the client properly. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coderboss Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 I appriciate what are you talking about but you know more than 80% seller here from Pakistan, Bangladesh and India where english ain't their native language. Although our Indian subcontinant's people are good in english than spanish or eastarn europian people. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariashtelle1 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, coderboss said: Although our Indian subcontinant's people are good in english than spanish or eastarn europian people. Are you saying that above people speak worse English than “your” people? 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maitasun Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, katakatica said: I feel like the main issue here is communication as a whole. Not necessarily grammar/vocab issues per say but stuff like... understanding and being able to express yourself. It's a whole lot different from just being able to skim through a few pages of a book and 'kinda get' what one's reading. This! ☝️ I agree with you 💯 Edited July 19, 2021 by maitasun 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coderboss Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 minute ago, mariashtelle1 said: Are you saying that above people speak worse English than “your” people? I didn't meant that. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariashtelle1 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, coderboss said: I didn't meant that. 👇 6 hours ago, katakatica said: I feel like the main issue here is communication as a whole. Not necessarily grammar/vocab issues per say but stuff like... understanding and being able to express yourself. It's a whole lot different from just being able to skim through a few pages of a book and 'kinda get' what one's reading. 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katakatica Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, coderboss said: I appriciate what are you talking about but you know more than 80% seller here from Pakistan, Bangladesh and India As an Eastern European who works mostly in English (and is fluent is two other romantic languages albeit not Spanish) I think you've just proven the point right. But that's not the issue - the internet doesn't care where you're from. You need to be able to understand instructions (I'm not saying you in particular aren't I'm saying this in general) and REPLY to those accordingly. The flag on your profile doesn't matter - your performance does. Will I be more patient with people whose first language (or second) isn't English? Of course. But in a business setting where I have options for a similar price who can understand me better - I might end up choosing the latter. This is why learning is always a good idea. (If everyone who claims to be open 12-24 hours put 4 of that into an intensive free English course...) (Edit: not sure if I quoted it right my phone is being funky. ) Edited July 19, 2021 by katakatica 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coderboss Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, katakatica said: As an Eastern European who works mostly in English (and is fluent is two other romantic languages albeit not Spanish) I think you've just proven the point right. But that's not the issue - the internet doesn't care where you're from. You need to be able to understand instructions (I'm not saying you in particular aren't I'm saying this in general) and REPLY to those accordingly. The flag on your profile doesn't matter - your performance does. Will I be more patient with people whose first language (or second) isn't English? Of course. But in a business setting where I have options for a similar price who can understand me better - I might end up choosing the latter. This is why learning is always a good idea. (If everyone who claims to be open 12-24 hours put 4 of that into an intensive free English course...) I support the way are you thinking. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeus777 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 5 hours ago, azadfardin01 said: I've been on Fiverr for 7 months and still can't spell 'definitely' without using Google Translate or double checking, lol I've been on Fiverr for 10 years, I offer translation here, but I STILL have problems when it comes to spelling the words weird, license, and San Fransisco. It took me a while to get "restaurant" correct as well... 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsmike Posted July 19, 2021 Author Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 hour ago, katakatica said: (If everyone who claims to be open 12-24 hours put 4 of that into an intensive free English course...) And we have a winner. Stop calling please the Pink Floyd tickets are gone. 👍 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsmike Posted July 19, 2021 Author Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 hour ago, zeus777 said: I offer translation here, but I STILL have problems when it comes to spelling the words weird, license, and San Fransisco. It took me a while to get "restaurant" correct as well... I know you are in Japan, but I always thought you were as close to a native English speaker (and writer) as it gets. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theratypist Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 hour ago, katakatica said: But that's not the issue - the internet doesn't care where you're from. It was only here on Fiverr that I learned how "Knock on you" means a lot differently from what I'm used to. I'm used to it being related to boxing, making someone unconscious. But here I see a lot using it as something like to reach out 😅 I had to google if that really was an official phrase or it was just a common translation. To this day I am not sure on the exact meaning but I still see it coming up a lot. 😂 I think if I was a tourist visiting the country and I was told such I would be fine. However, if I was a buyer that might slightly bother me. Not a deal breaker but makes you realize how much you need to understand about how an English based platform works. My English might not be the best but I'm glad I can communicate enough to get my point across. I get terrified when I see a lot of (usually new) sellers offer article writing or proofreading with their gig description already messed up and yet they still ask why they haven't gotten an order. 😅 A dose of self-awareness is needed for a lot of new sellers who expect an order right away. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vickiespencer Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 2 hours ago, coderboss said: but you know more than 80% seller here from Pakistan, Bangladesh and India Is that an official statistic or are you pulling it out of a hat? 🎩 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coderboss Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Just now, vickiespencer said: Is that an official statistic or are you pulling it out of a hat? 🎩 It's a true statistic not racism. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theratypist Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, coderboss said: It's a true statistic not racism. Please cite the report or link you got the statistic from. Who said it was about racism? We just need to be truthful with the facts we share... 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vickiespencer Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, coderboss said: not racism. What did I say that indicates racism? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coderboss Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Just now, vickiespencer said: What did I say that indicates racism? No, You mention hate. Hey sir please don't take it seriously. 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theratypist Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, coderboss said: No, You mention hate. She said hat not hate. 4 minutes ago, coderboss said: Hey sir please don't take it seriously. She is a ma'am...... Also, racism is a word to be taken seriously. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vickiespencer Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 19 minutes ago, vickiespencer said: Is that an official statistic or are you pulling it out of a hat? 🎩 Where is the word hate in this message? HAT 🎩 👒. 🧢. ⛑ is not the same as HATE 😡 🤬 😠 😾! 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coderboss Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, vickiespencer said: Where is the word hate in this message? HAT 🎩 👒. 🧢. ⛑ is not the same as HATE 😡 🤬 😠 😾! Sorry!!! my bad. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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