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I take it that you haven’t had any messages from FB accounts.

That’s not actually saying anything about your performance, when you are offering a single gig that -from where I stand- the average FB account wouldn’t actually search for.

I was shown a sneak peek of what FB users see on their end, and it’s NOT the same interface as typical buyers. They can see all verticals, but not all subcategories.

I wasn’t able to memorize which subcategories were absent, so please don’t ask. 🙂

I know what you are offering, and I also know what the “typical” FB user persona is, and again from my POV, there may not be a lot of overlap currently.

So there’s no reason to believe that you are not performing well.

P.S. You need to disassociate the term “performance” with the three bars you see on your profile. 🙂

Though Fiverr business offers a “Curated freelancer catalog”. So it seems like it’s people at Fiverr curating the gigs/freelancers that will get shown to those with a Fiverr business account, and maybe the ones they curate have some stats they have to match.

From the business page:

That’s exactly what Fiverr Business has set out to guarantee by designing a unique catalog of exclusively business-relevant, top-tier freelancers

I wasn’t able to memorize which subcategories were absent,

I think Lifestyle was one that was missing.

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Though Fiverr business offers a “Curated freelancer catalog”. So it seems like it’s people at Fiverr curating the gigs/freelancers that will get shown to those with a Fiverr business account, and maybe the ones they curate have some stats they have to match.

From the business page:

That’s exactly what Fiverr Business has set out to guarantee by designing a unique catalog of exclusively business-relevant, top-tier freelancers

I wasn’t able to memorize which subcategories were absent,

I think Lifestyle was one that was missing.

OK so here’s how FB works:

they have a dedicated SM of their own.

(spoiler alert: there is some overlap between their SMs and ours)

So while they are able to search on their own, it makes more sense for them to have their SM find the right match. (which is exactly why they pay for this service)

Their SM, picks from a large pool of high performing sellers. The same sellers who populate search results when a FB account searches on their own.

(once again, buyer satisfaction+performance+relevance are the criteria they rely on)

It is also completely up to the SM to suggest a seller that they have personally worked with and can vouch for. (again from the same high-performing pool)

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In my personal experience, bouncing back was close to impossible before this alleged update.

This performance is once again calculated on a 60-day cycle. It’s not lifetime.

Again my recommendation to you would be to revisit your gig’s titles, tags, description, if you experienced a heavy drop but didn’t have a recent bad experience with a buyer.

In my personal experience, bouncing back was close to impossible before this alleged update.

Thanks! So your saying bouncing back is doable on fiverr 3.0? How long do you think it will take me if I improve the metrics of the new peformance requirments tremendously?

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In my personal experience, bouncing back was close to impossible before this alleged update.

Thanks! So your saying bouncing back is doable on fiverr 3.0? How long do you think it will take me if I improve the metrics of the new peformance requirments tremendously?

Yes, that’s what I am saying.

I have no idea how long it would take for you, as I don’t know if you are experiencing a drop due to “buyer satisfaction” issues or because your gigs are not indexed properly due to their tags and titles.

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Yes, that’s what I am saying.

I have no idea how long it would take for you, as I don’t know if you are experiencing a drop due to “buyer satisfaction” issues or because your gigs are not indexed properly due to their tags and titles.

I have no idea how long it would take for you, as I don’t know if you are experiencing a drop due to “buyer satisfaction” issues or because your gigs are not indexed properly due to their tags and titles.

Thanks so much for the info it’s really appreciated and I’m sorry if I keep bugging you.

But say it’s “buyer satisfaction” do you think a few months of high performance will fix it?

What happens if like loads of gigs are peforming high, how do they decide which high peforming sellers to put to the top?

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I have no idea how long it would take for you, as I don’t know if you are experiencing a drop due to “buyer satisfaction” issues or because your gigs are not indexed properly due to their tags and titles.

Thanks so much for the info it’s really appreciated and I’m sorry if I keep bugging you.

But say it’s “buyer satisfaction” do you think a few months of high performance will fix it?

What happens if like loads of gigs are peforming high, how do they decide which high peforming sellers to put to the top?

What happens if like loads of gigs are peforming high, how do they decide which high peforming sellers to put to the top?

Remember how I keep saying “relevance is key”?

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I have no idea how long it would take for you, as I don’t know if you are experiencing a drop due to “buyer satisfaction” issues or because your gigs are not indexed properly due to their tags and titles.

Thanks so much for the info it’s really appreciated and I’m sorry if I keep bugging you.

But say it’s “buyer satisfaction” do you think a few months of high performance will fix it?

What happens if like loads of gigs are peforming high, how do they decide which high peforming sellers to put to the top?

But say the problem with my ranking is “buyer satisfaction” do you think a few months of high performance will fix it?

Final question above. Thank you so much. Sorry jsut freaking out cos fiverr is my main source of income lol.

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But say the problem with my ranking is “buyer satisfaction” do you think a few months of high performance will fix it?

Final question above. Thank you so much. Sorry jsut freaking out cos fiverr is my main source of income lol.

I have no way of knowing that.

If you perform better now and are consistent, I don’t see why you wouldn’t bounce back.

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Does the new algorithm match every word with in the title with the tags or does it view a single tag as it’s own thing?

For example, if my gig title is “write SEO Optimized About Us Page and Biography” would it overlap with tags like “SEO Optimization” or “SEO Biography”?

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Does the new algorithm match every word with in the title with the tags or does it view a single tag as it’s own thing?

For example, if my gig title is “write SEO Optimized About Us Page and Biography” would it overlap with tags like “SEO Optimization” or “SEO Biography”?

Fiverr sees that as “double-dipping”.

This is the #1 reason seasoned sellers are now faced with lower performance.

We all need to revisit our titles+ tags, yesterday.

But to be honest I am not 100% sure if SEO optimize is considered the same as SEO optimization.

All I known is that you need your best keywords in the title and then a completely different set in your tags. (And close to none in your description)

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Fiverr sees that as “double-dipping”.

This is the #1 reason seasoned sellers are now faced with lower performance.

We all need to revisit our titles+ tags, yesterday.

But to be honest I am not 100% sure if SEO optimize is considered the same as SEO optimization.

All I known is that you need your best keywords in the title and then a completely different set in your tags. (And close to none in your description)

We all need to revisit our titles+ tags, yesterday .

But to be honest I am not 100% sure if SEO optimize is considered the same as SEO optimization.

In that case, I think I will wait another week just in case to let people experiment a bit more before making any major changes.

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We all need to revisit our titles+ tags, yesterday .

But to be honest I am not 100% sure if SEO optimize is considered the same as SEO optimization.

In that case, I think I will wait another week just in case to let people experiment a bit more before making any major changes.

I tend to move slower since I have a lot more on the line than the average seller, but I am 80% ready to roll out changes across all my gigs.

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OK so here’s how FB works:

they have a dedicated SM of their own.

(spoiler alert: there is some overlap between their SMs and ours)

So while they are able to search on their own, it makes more sense for them to have their SM find the right match. (which is exactly why they pay for this service)

Their SM, picks from a large pool of high performing sellers. The same sellers who populate search results when a FB account searches on their own.

(once again, buyer satisfaction+performance+relevance are the criteria they rely on)

It is also completely up to the SM to suggest a seller that they have personally worked with and can vouch for. (again from the same high-performing pool)

which is exactly why they pay for this service

Wait, people with a Business account pay for that?

That is very strange because I had one “HESHE is a Fiverr Business client” recently and his first message was:

Can you take (link to @frank_d video from the portfolio) and remove/replace the logo in video with mine, in next 6 hours (I kid you not, this is the beautified/simplified version, names changed to protect privacy).

So he is business client? :thinking:

I have a lot of profile names with blue thingy next to them in the inbox, all converted to orders but there is no significant change in order amount or income.

Though if you don’t update one set of things at a time and give enough time to see results you won’t really know which of the things might have improved things (got more orders). eg. whether having gigs with 0 tags that are in the title helped or made it worse.

Some of my gigs literally have no choice but to repeat in tags what is in the title so I did not change all of them drastically.

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And when I read here stats that people are sharing all my GIGs are underperforming all the time this entire year because I never had more than 1-5 clicks per day.

My all-time best selling GIG peaks at 8-12 clicks.

But all my GIGs are in the most overcrowded categories.

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I tend to move slower since I have a lot more on the line than the average seller, but I am 80% ready to roll out changes across all my gigs.

Same, I’m already in talks with some designers to update my gig images again and in some infographic-style images. I’ll be scoping out more relevant and “3.0” friendly tags over the next week but for now, I’ll just focus on clearing out the orders I currently have.

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I think Fiverr is very much moving towards specificity - having very specific gigs.
With all the subcategories in gig creation now, there is less room for catch all gigs and I think we should all recognize that. I want to give an example from my situation which I am currently facing and debating.

I have an SEO consultation gig - It has done well for me over a couple of years in bringing people in to advise them on their SEO and provide an ongoing service which is aimed at whatever I believe to be the most needed for that particular site. However, SEO gigs now need to specify the type of SEO involved - I think from 6-7 subcategories. This means this consulting gig can’t really continue as it is without missing a lot of the market. My current thought is that I will need to change this one and create new, more specific gigs to cover the different elements of SEO. The other thing I could TRY is to keep the general title, choose one category and then put the other categories in as tags. However, this is not likely to work as well as it needs to and so I will likely go with the first option of various specific SEO gigs.
Think about what your own gig offers, what subcategories and other SPECIFIC elements it offers and doesn’t offer and then look at creating new gigs to cover those things.

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which is exactly why they pay for this service

Wait, people with a Business account pay for that?

That is very strange because I had one “HESHE is a Fiverr Business client” recently and his first message was:

Can you take (link to @frank_d video from the portfolio) and remove/replace the logo in video with mine, in next 6 hours (I kid you not, this is the beautified/simplified version, names changed to protect privacy).

So he is business client? :thinking:

I have a lot of profile names with blue thingy next to them in the inbox, all converted to orders but there is no significant change in order amount or income.

Though if you don’t update one set of things at a time and give enough time to see results you won’t really know which of the things might have improved things (got more orders). eg. whether having gigs with 0 tags that are in the title helped or made it worse.

Some of my gigs literally have no choice but to repeat in tags what is in the title so I did not change all of them drastically.

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And when I read here stats that people are sharing all my GIGs are underperforming all the time this entire year because I never had more than 1-5 clicks per day.

My all-time best selling GIG peaks at 8-12 clicks.

But all my GIGs are in the most overcrowded categories.

Promoted, results first 24 hours

Business accounts are a mixed bag. (For me personally)

I’ve had people who spent $5,000 on a 15-second animation without flinching and people who tell me $60 is not within their budget.

They do get a year of FB for free and then it’s $160 per year. (Or maybe that was just a promo, dunno, haven’t checked since they launched)

There was a requirement that all FB members had to make a $3,000 deposit before using it, but it seems that has been lifted (hence the questionable FB accounts I see now)

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which is exactly why they pay for this service

Wait, people with a Business account pay for that?

That is very strange because I had one “HESHE is a Fiverr Business client” recently and his first message was:

Can you take (link to @frank_d video from the portfolio) and remove/replace the logo in video with mine, in next 6 hours (I kid you not, this is the beautified/simplified version, names changed to protect privacy).

So he is business client? :thinking:

I have a lot of profile names with blue thingy next to them in the inbox, all converted to orders but there is no significant change in order amount or income.

Though if you don’t update one set of things at a time and give enough time to see results you won’t really know which of the things might have improved things (got more orders). eg. whether having gigs with 0 tags that are in the title helped or made it worse.

Some of my gigs literally have no choice but to repeat in tags what is in the title so I did not change all of them drastically.

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And when I read here stats that people are sharing all my GIGs are underperforming all the time this entire year because I never had more than 1-5 clicks per day.

My all-time best selling GIG peaks at 8-12 clicks.

But all my GIGs are in the most overcrowded categories.

Promoted, results first 24 hours

Does the new algorithm

Just as an aside, this makes me remember a comment by someone who said he was told by support that the algorithm does change to avoid people trying to “beat it”, and this not in the ‘algo 2.0 for 2 years’, ‘algo 3.0 for 1 year’ sense but in the ‘what is true this week may not be true next week’ way.

The entity algorithm 3.0 as a ‘major release’ surely will have “stickies” that remain the same, like “relevancy”, or “cancellations are bad, we don’t like cancellations”, but might play around with “lesser values” to keep things fresh and exciting for sellers who try to figure it out and adapt accordingly.

That could also function as kind of an alternative “gig rotation”, not caused by shuffling sellers just so with an “everyone gets a turn every once in a while” attitude, but in a “let’s make fast turnaround sellers the freelancers of the week”, “this month is lucky month for sellers who edited their gig within the last month”, and so on.

I just like the thought that they are having fun hanging out in their virtual conference room and debating whether to make a new change next week, or to reuse the change from calendar week 2 because no over-smart seller would see that coming, or to just let it run the same this whole month and work on 4.0.


Wait, people with a Business account pay for that?

$149 for an annual subscription, so not really a hurdle for actual businesses.

What’s more interesting though, is that you can add up to 50 co-workers to your business account to collaborate, etc. You can find the info in the help pages, there’s also an extra ToS version for Fiverr Business.

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Does the new algorithm

Just as an aside, this makes me remember a comment by someone who said he was told by support that the algorithm does change to avoid people trying to “beat it”, and this not in the ‘algo 2.0 for 2 years’, ‘algo 3.0 for 1 year’ sense but in the ‘what is true this week may not be true next week’ way.

The entity algorithm 3.0 as a ‘major release’ surely will have “stickies” that remain the same, like “relevancy”, or “cancellations are bad, we don’t like cancellations”, but might play around with “lesser values” to keep things fresh and exciting for sellers who try to figure it out and adapt accordingly.

That could also function as kind of an alternative “gig rotation”, not caused by shuffling sellers just so with an “everyone gets a turn every once in a while” attitude, but in a “let’s make fast turnaround sellers the freelancers of the week”, “this month is lucky month for sellers who edited their gig within the last month”, and so on.

I just like the thought that they are having fun hanging out in their virtual conference room and debating whether to make a new change next week, or to reuse the change from calendar week 2 because no over-smart seller would see that coming, or to just let it run the same this whole month and work on 4.0.


Wait, people with a Business account pay for that?

$149 for an annual subscription, so not really a hurdle for actual businesses.

What’s more interesting though, is that you can add up to 50 co-workers to your business account to collaborate, etc. You can find the info in the help pages, there’s also an extra ToS version for Fiverr Business.

$149 for an annual subscription, so not really a hurdle for actual businesses.

Yep, that probably explains why I haven’t seen any business clients. Most buyers I’ve gotten over the years have been sole sellers which have grown into businesses and I’m pretty sure that’s still the case.

Just as an aside, this makes me remember a comment by someone who said he was told by support that the algorithm does change to avoid people trying to “beat it”, and this not in the ‘algo 2.0 for 2 years’, ‘algo 3.0 for 1 year’ sense but in the ‘what is true this week may not be true next week’ way.

This is why I’m holding out on making any major changes right now. January and February were great months for me and assuming the algorithm went into effect late LAST year then I’m pretty sure it’s still changing and adapting to different trends.

In all honesty, March was my best month so far. Things kinda suffered after I had my first cancellation so I’m thinking that’s still dragging me down a bit.

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These are the orders I received in March. There tend to be sharp rises and falls which has always been the case. The start and end of the month are “Usually” slower and it’s not like I’ve completely disappeared from the radar.

I did manage to get orders from roughly 4 - 5 “new” clients in the last 10 days with plenty of returning clients coming back. The coupons Fiverr’s added have really been a boon for getting old customers back so Fiverr may be onto something here. What exactly that is, I don’t know.

In short, don’t just go making random changes without having a proper plan is what I’d suggest, and instead use that time and energy to focus on yourself and improving performance.

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Does the new algorithm

Just as an aside, this makes me remember a comment by someone who said he was told by support that the algorithm does change to avoid people trying to “beat it”, and this not in the ‘algo 2.0 for 2 years’, ‘algo 3.0 for 1 year’ sense but in the ‘what is true this week may not be true next week’ way.

The entity algorithm 3.0 as a ‘major release’ surely will have “stickies” that remain the same, like “relevancy”, or “cancellations are bad, we don’t like cancellations”, but might play around with “lesser values” to keep things fresh and exciting for sellers who try to figure it out and adapt accordingly.

That could also function as kind of an alternative “gig rotation”, not caused by shuffling sellers just so with an “everyone gets a turn every once in a while” attitude, but in a “let’s make fast turnaround sellers the freelancers of the week”, “this month is lucky month for sellers who edited their gig within the last month”, and so on.

I just like the thought that they are having fun hanging out in their virtual conference room and debating whether to make a new change next week, or to reuse the change from calendar week 2 because no over-smart seller would see that coming, or to just let it run the same this whole month and work on 4.0.


Wait, people with a Business account pay for that?

$149 for an annual subscription, so not really a hurdle for actual businesses.

What’s more interesting though, is that you can add up to 50 co-workers to your business account to collaborate, etc. You can find the info in the help pages, there’s also an extra ToS version for Fiverr Business.

What’s more interesting though, is that you can add up to 50 co-workers to your business account

AAAAAA

THIS explains EVERYTHING.

It is same like Canva, one guy pays for account and then he “sells” spot in his team.

Same for most of the online design things.

This is why I’m holding out on making any major changes right now.

All my GIGs were going down and it went down further after I signed up to Seller plus, but now I made changes after one month of thinking…

The only way is up…

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What’s more interesting though, is that you can add up to 50 co-workers to your business account

AAAAAA

THIS explains EVERYTHING.

It is same like Canva, one guy pays for account and then he “sells” spot in his team.

Same for most of the online design things.

This is why I’m holding out on making any major changes right now.

All my GIGs were going down and it went down further after I signed up to Seller plus, but now I made changes after one month of thinking…

The only way is up…

All my GIGs were going down and it went down further after I signed up to Seller plus, but now I made changes after one month of thinking…

The only way is up…

Yeah, but at the same time, I was having the best month I’ve had in a long time.

It’s great that things are looking up for you and I’ll probably make some changes if things stay slow for me but like you, I’ll probably spend some time thinking things over and maybe have some me-time while I’m at it. BTW, I had a look at your gigs and they look great - no wonder you’re doing so well :hugs:

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All my GIGs were going down and it went down further after I signed up to Seller plus, but now I made changes after one month of thinking…

The only way is up…

Yeah, but at the same time, I was having the best month I’ve had in a long time.

It’s great that things are looking up for you and I’ll probably make some changes if things stay slow for me but like you, I’ll probably spend some time thinking things over and maybe have some me-time while I’m at it. BTW, I had a look at your gigs and they look great - no wonder you’re doing so well :hugs:

BTW, I had a look at your gigs and they look great - no wonder you’re doing so well

Agreed, there’s no surprise that you’re getting sales here with how you have created your gigs and profile @marinapomorac

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Fiverr sees that as “double-dipping”.

This is the #1 reason seasoned sellers are now faced with lower performance.

We all need to revisit our titles+ tags, yesterday.

But to be honest I am not 100% sure if SEO optimize is considered the same as SEO optimization.

All I known is that you need your best keywords in the title and then a completely different set in your tags. (And close to none in your description)

Fiverr sees that as “double-dipping”.

So would it count as double-dipping if your gig offered two services as part of the packages and you put an AND in between.

For example I’ve just changed my from a double-dipping title to “I will write your brand story and mission statement” does this count as double-dipping?

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Fiverr sees that as “double-dipping”.

So would it count as double-dipping if your gig offered two services as part of the packages and you put an AND in between.

For example I’ve just changed my from a double-dipping title to “I will write your brand story and mission statement” does this count as double-dipping?

You have clearly misread what I wrote.

The issue is with title/tags.

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