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It’s just crazy how people don’t understand how revisions work. “Oh, I got a question, let me hit a modification”. Sometimes I just feel like they do that on purpose thinking I would respond faster because it’s marked as “in revision”…

So overall, each of that revision would affect my Gig for no reason at all.

Well it’s not 100% their fault.

Fiverr changed the design with intent.

The buyers are no longer asked “if they need a modification”.

The question now is “are you ready to accept the delivery?”

So technically they can press that button if they aren’t ready for whatever reason.

That new message, coupled with a disclaimer right underneath the “yes-no” buttons, that warns them that if they accept there’s no turning back, is the reason why there’s an uptick in “mindless” revision requests.

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Well it’s not 100% their fault.

Fiverr changed the design with intent.

The buyers are no longer asked “if they need a modification”.

The question now is “are you ready to accept the delivery?”

So technically they can press that button if they aren’t ready for whatever reason.

That new message, coupled with a disclaimer right underneath the “yes-no” buttons, that warns them that if they accept there’s no turning back, is the reason why there’s an uptick in “mindless” revision requests.

That new message, coupled with a disclaimer right underneath the “yes-no” buttons, that warns them that if they accept there’s no turning back, is the reason why there’s an uptick in “mindless” revision requests.

Thank you for clearing things up Frank. I don’t really buy here on Fiverr, so I was confused why some people ask for a revision without needing anything revised. This explains a lot to me.

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I’m late to the party and I wasn’t sure if I should jump on it but fine, here are my 2 cents:

I did notice around November December that things changed a little bit and that algorithm was almost like predicting if I’m tired or if I have more resources to deliver more orders.

It seems to be very responsive nowadays to even slightest changes in your behaviour which I really like.

I noticed that if I deliver 2-3 orders even just a day earlier I immediately get a lot of impressions and a lot of new enquiries in my inbox or orders almost right away

If my orders got accepted without revisions then it has similar effect

However if I do have orders stuck in revisions then I start noticing that I don’t receive so many new inquiries anymore.

I didn’t see any difference with notifications “your buyer is awaiting your reply for x hours”. Because sometimes they are just the last ones to leave a message and it will be ridiculous if we will go “thank you, no thank you, ok prefect, sure great” until I’m the last one to leave the message

I do like that this algo seems a bit more flexible because if I’m overwhelmed something falls through cracks and messages are replied a bit later than usually or it takes a bit longer (but within the timeline) to deliver orders then algo reads it like “seller is busy don’t throw more work their way”. And if you do deliver early and reply fast it seems like “that person has enough resource and time to deliver everything, they are still outperforming, give them more work”.

With old algorithm it seemed that you make one mistake and everything goes to hell for a couple of months. Now it doesn’t seem to be so inflexible anymore.

Though I do think there is still “good old” gig rotation.

However if I do have orders stuck in revisions then I start noticing that I don’t receive so many new inquiries anymore.

12+ hours of in revision status damages the gig performance quite a bit. Sometimes I let buyers roam free and take their time to consult their therapist (seriously) or whatever else they need to do and the inquiries from new buyers dry up within a day or two.

The question now is “are you ready to accept the delivery?”

I’ve received multiple revision requests starting with: “No, we are not ready to accept” recently. That explains it.

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For almost 3 years I had the gig at the top, with over 20k orders, since the changes were made it is impossible for it to reach at least page 3-4 due to the incomplete orders I have, every month I have 2-3 cancellations by buyers who have not completed the order, I have over 250 incomplete orders. Until a few days ago it was on page 4, after I had a cancellation, it reached page 10, I have in front of me sellers with 2-3 reviews with 4 *, without any level. In all these years I have come to the conclusion that not only one gig goes behind, it influences the whole profile. The good part is that I have a lot of returning customers. So I don’t think there is any option for me to return to the TOP, just to stay on a constant line to keep my completion rate.

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For almost 3 years I had the gig at the top, with over 20k orders, since the changes were made it is impossible for it to reach at least page 3-4 due to the incomplete orders I have, every month I have 2-3 cancellations by buyers who have not completed the order, I have over 250 incomplete orders. Until a few days ago it was on page 4, after I had a cancellation, it reached page 10, I have in front of me sellers with 2-3 reviews with 4 *, without any level. In all these years I have come to the conclusion that not only one gig goes behind, it influences the whole profile. The good part is that I have a lot of returning customers. So I don’t think there is any option for me to return to the TOP, just to stay on a constant line to keep my completion rate.

So I don’t think there is any option for me to return to the TOP, just to stay on a constant line to keep my completion rate.

As Frank said in his initial post, there’s no more ranking. You’re up or down in search based on your performance. I do have around 15-20 of those inactive orders, and they don’t matter.

What you need to realize is that things changed. It’s not 2014 anymore, Fiverr studies everything, from reviews to response time, cancellations, secret reviews, all of these matter. Plus, you are in a VERY VERY VERY competitive niche, with hundreds of thousands of people. Fiverr tries to be fair with everyone, and that means they will allow others to show your skills. The same thing happens for me in the writing section. There are people with way less reviews or experience that are on the first page, while I am on page 9 for example.

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So I don’t think there is any option for me to return to the TOP, just to stay on a constant line to keep my completion rate.

As Frank said in his initial post, there’s no more ranking. You’re up or down in search based on your performance. I do have around 15-20 of those inactive orders, and they don’t matter.

What you need to realize is that things changed. It’s not 2014 anymore, Fiverr studies everything, from reviews to response time, cancellations, secret reviews, all of these matter. Plus, you are in a VERY VERY VERY competitive niche, with hundreds of thousands of people. Fiverr tries to be fair with everyone, and that means they will allow others to show your skills. The same thing happens for me in the writing section. There are people with way less reviews or experience that are on the first page, while I am on page 9 for example.

As Frank said in his initial post, there’s no more ranking.

I don’t know if relevant but I’ve been getting lower impressions and clicks but MORE orders from new customers and the messages I do receive from potential buyers are mostly relevant to my gigs more so than before.

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As Frank said in his initial post, there’s no more ranking.

I don’t know if relevant but I’ve been getting lower impressions and clicks but MORE orders from new customers and the messages I do receive from potential buyers are mostly relevant to my gigs more so than before.

I don’t know if relevant but I’ve been getting lower impressions and clicks but MORE orders from new customers and the messages I do receive from potential buyers are mostly relevant to my gigs more so than before.

The same thing is happening to me as well. They are targeting sellers based on their keywords and performance. I noticed every time I deliver multiple orders, I receive new inquiries/orders. If I am away and don’t really deliver any order during the day, then I barely receive any message or order. So performance does matter, just like reviews and other factors.

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There is not any doubt in your observation. I think I have found the solution. Thank you so much!

Just like Frank said above, don’t take anything you see here for granted. These are all our personal observations. What works for me might not work for you and the other way around.

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Annnd, yet another thing that might mess up rankings and access to the right gigs.

I see it’s only for Articles and Blog posts, but they are showing tags/writing genres. Is it just me, or people will think a writer can only cover those topics and that’s it? This was already a filter, not sure adding it will make things better. It will just lead to less sales for most people, if everyone thinks like me and they believe those are the only topics covered by the writer. Not sure if/when this will appear for other categories.

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Hi Frank,

Hope you are doing well, I was really happy to read your observations. Thank you.

I am also observing the matters that nothing is matching or being truth as seniors guidelines. I mean seniors/expert sellers advise and guidelines also not working nowadays.
Anyways, I am agreed with you almost but I have question to you based on your article. I didn’t find anything clearly(or I missed) in you post about new sellers. What is your observation that how fiverr 3.0 is considering new sellers gigs or how a new seller can be considered to get orders?

Thanks in advance
imk4all

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It’s just crazy how people don’t understand how revisions work. “Oh, I got a question, let me hit a modification”. Sometimes I just feel like they do that on purpose thinking I would respond faster because it’s marked as “in revision”…

So overall, each of that revision would affect my Gig for no reason at all.

Oh, I got a question, let me hit a modification”.

Those are the WORST!!!

It isn’t that they are unhappy with what I delivered, it is just they have a “question” about what I delivered (nothing needed fixing) and decided to hit Revision instead of just sending me a note on my page or on the order page.

I swear, if that counts against us, in some secret AI way, that would really suck. I do not get this often, maybe once every 6 months, and it is too funny, because I ALWAYS know which people will do that - so, it isn’t a huge problem for me, but could be for others!

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Hi Frank,

Hope you are doing well, I was really happy to read your observations. Thank you.

I am also observing the matters that nothing is matching or being truth as seniors guidelines. I mean seniors/expert sellers advise and guidelines also not working nowadays.

Anyways, I am agreed with you almost but I have question to you based on your article. I didn’t find anything clearly(or I missed) in you post about new sellers. What is your observation that how fiverr 3.0 is considering new sellers gigs or how a new seller can be considered to get orders?

Thanks in advance

imk4all

Hi there @imk4all

I don’t think my observations are specific to senior accounts.

I mean sure, some of my observations obviously come from my personal experience, and I am as senior as they get. 🙂

But at the same time, I think the algorithm treats newer accounts somewhat more favorably which has been the number 1 reason why people are furious with “gig rotation”.

So everything I wrote should still apply for newer accounts, plus Fiverr is actively looking for “rising talents”, so the newer the account, the more chances a small spark could help build some momentum that may lead to the best badge you could hope to get.

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Annnd, yet another thing that might mess up rankings and access to the right gigs.

I see it’s only for Articles and Blog posts, but they are showing tags/writing genres. Is it just me, or people will think a writer can only cover those topics and that’s it? This was already a filter, not sure adding it will make things better. It will just lead to less sales for most people, if everyone thinks like me and they believe those are the only topics covered by the writer. Not sure if/when this will appear for other categories.

This was just released for the “explainer videos” vertical as well.

Fiverr now makes sellers pick only 3 or 5 options, when it comes to targeting specific industries or types of end product.

They no longer want for you to cast a wide net, as it interferes with the efficiency of their match making.

As I keep saying for the past years or so: you need to be laser focused.

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This was just released for the “explainer videos” vertical as well.

Fiverr now makes sellers pick only 3 or 5 options, when it comes to targeting specific industries or types of end product.

They no longer want for you to cast a wide net, as it interferes with the efficiency of their match making.

As I keep saying for the past years or so: you need to be laser focused.

I understand that. But I already have gigs that cover specific niches, why not allow a general one too? Well, guess I need to create more niche-specific gigs I guess.

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I see.

Sorry you feel this way.

I will no longer engage if that’s OK with you, as it has become apparent you are here to find someone to point your finger at and not listen.

Have a good one!

You have to get the last word in, I guess. You refuse to recognize any problems here. That is your problem and eventually it will surface. I will not let the truth lie in the bottom. Eventually, it all comes out. You enjoy yours and have a great year.

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You have to get the last word in, I guess. You refuse to recognize any problems here. That is your problem and eventually it will surface. I will not let the truth lie in the bottom. Eventually, it all comes out. You enjoy yours and have a great year.

Yes Kendal, I get it. I will have a great year.

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I’m late to the party and I wasn’t sure if I should jump on it but fine, here are my 2 cents:

I did notice around November December that things changed a little bit and that algorithm was almost like predicting if I’m tired or if I have more resources to deliver more orders.

It seems to be very responsive nowadays to even slightest changes in your behaviour which I really like.

I noticed that if I deliver 2-3 orders even just a day earlier I immediately get a lot of impressions and a lot of new enquiries in my inbox or orders almost right away

If my orders got accepted without revisions then it has similar effect

However if I do have orders stuck in revisions then I start noticing that I don’t receive so many new inquiries anymore.

I didn’t see any difference with notifications “your buyer is awaiting your reply for x hours”. Because sometimes they are just the last ones to leave a message and it will be ridiculous if we will go “thank you, no thank you, ok prefect, sure great” until I’m the last one to leave the message

I do like that this algo seems a bit more flexible because if I’m overwhelmed something falls through cracks and messages are replied a bit later than usually or it takes a bit longer (but within the timeline) to deliver orders then algo reads it like “seller is busy don’t throw more work their way”. And if you do deliver early and reply fast it seems like “that person has enough resource and time to deliver everything, they are still outperforming, give them more work”.

With old algorithm it seemed that you make one mistake and everything goes to hell for a couple of months. Now it doesn’t seem to be so inflexible anymore.

Though I do think there is still “good old” gig rotation.

If my orders got accepted without revisions then it has similar effect

However if I do have orders stuck in revisions then I start noticing that I don’t receive so many new inquiries anymore.

I attached final drawings. I asked client to confirm all is OK on artwork. Like 10 times. I asked to take two hours to check everything and think about every detail. And come back when they are ready for delivery.

“Everything is great, please send delivery”

10 seconds after delivery - revision request.

To change the order of names.

SCREAMING INTERNALLY.

This AI better get emotionally intelligent otherwise it’ll screw people for procedures rather than actual mistakes.

I want to send her that revision is gazillion dollars.

I hope everyone is wrong and Fiverr account is not affected by revisions… ( :rofl:)

Order is over, I got review. If I respond now that will make it my 100th.

But I will wait it out.

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Annnd, yet another thing that might mess up rankings and access to the right gigs.

I see it’s only for Articles and Blog posts, but they are showing tags/writing genres. Is it just me, or people will think a writer can only cover those topics and that’s it? This was already a filter, not sure adding it will make things better. It will just lead to less sales for most people, if everyone thinks like me and they believe those are the only topics covered by the writer. Not sure if/when this will appear for other categories.

It will just lead to less sales for most people, if everyone thinks like me and they believe those are the only topics covered by the writer. Not sure if/when this will appear for other categories.

That’s interesting to see, I’ve already written that I’m convinced that Fiverr 3.0 wants people to specialize somewhere above. It probably matters little to and for Fiverr if some people will make fewer sales because of it - as long as there are more than enough sellers in the respective category to absorb all potential orders. One of Frank’s important points was “make the buyer happy”, and I’m pretty sure it makes buyers (especially the more sophisticated, demanding, up-market, … ones) very happy to buy from sellers they think are specialised on their topic, or ideally from sellers that are indeed specialised on their topic.

There will be sellers who’ll copy what they see the top sellers choose as categories, and there will be sellers who’ll cover anything else that can be chosen. If there are topics that aren’t very popular among most sellers, there might be a chance there, as long as there is demand. Lucky those who’d choose unpopular topics out of their own volition and not just because they think their chances will be better there against the established/busy sellers. A bit simplified, if everyone wants to cover English, Music and Sports, and you cover Maths, Physics, and Chemistry (all the more if you really have a knack for it), the force may be with you.

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It will just lead to less sales for most people, if everyone thinks like me and they believe those are the only topics covered by the writer. Not sure if/when this will appear for other categories.

That’s interesting to see, I’ve already written that I’m convinced that Fiverr 3.0 wants people to specialize somewhere above. It probably matters little to and for Fiverr if some people will make fewer sales because of it - as long as there are more than enough sellers in the respective category to absorb all potential orders. One of Frank’s important points was “make the buyer happy”, and I’m pretty sure it makes buyers (especially the more sophisticated, demanding, up-market, … ones) very happy to buy from sellers they think are specialised on their topic, or ideally from sellers that are indeed specialised on their topic.

There will be sellers who’ll copy what they see the top sellers choose as categories, and there will be sellers who’ll cover anything else that can be chosen. If there are topics that aren’t very popular among most sellers, there might be a chance there, as long as there is demand. Lucky those who’d choose unpopular topics out of their own volition and not just because they think their chances will be better there against the established/busy sellers. A bit simplified, if everyone wants to cover English, Music and Sports, and you cover Maths, Physics, and Chemistry (all the more if you really have a knack for it), the force may be with you.

ideally from sellers that are indeed specialised on their topic.

True, but I am specialized in writing… in the case of writing there are hundreds of different topics… I can’t have a gig for everyone. I can see how specializing in certain types of logos or videos makes sense. But for writing, you literally have dozens upon dozens of topics. Well, we learn and adapt 🙂

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It will just lead to less sales for most people, if everyone thinks like me and they believe those are the only topics covered by the writer. Not sure if/when this will appear for other categories.

That’s interesting to see, I’ve already written that I’m convinced that Fiverr 3.0 wants people to specialize somewhere above. It probably matters little to and for Fiverr if some people will make fewer sales because of it - as long as there are more than enough sellers in the respective category to absorb all potential orders. One of Frank’s important points was “make the buyer happy”, and I’m pretty sure it makes buyers (especially the more sophisticated, demanding, up-market, … ones) very happy to buy from sellers they think are specialised on their topic, or ideally from sellers that are indeed specialised on their topic.

There will be sellers who’ll copy what they see the top sellers choose as categories, and there will be sellers who’ll cover anything else that can be chosen. If there are topics that aren’t very popular among most sellers, there might be a chance there, as long as there is demand. Lucky those who’d choose unpopular topics out of their own volition and not just because they think their chances will be better there against the established/busy sellers. A bit simplified, if everyone wants to cover English, Music and Sports, and you cover Maths, Physics, and Chemistry (all the more if you really have a knack for it), the force may be with you.

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It will just lead to less sales for most people, if everyone thinks like me and they believe those are the only topics covered by the writer. Not sure if/when this will appear for other categories.

That’s interesting to see, I’ve already written that I’m convinced that Fiverr 3.0 wants people to specialize somewhere above. It probably matters little to and for Fiverr if some people will make fewer sales because of it - as long as there are more than enough sellers in the respective category to absorb all potential orders. One of Frank’s important points was “make the buyer happy”, and I’m pretty sure it makes buyers (especially the more sophisticated, demanding, up-market, … ones) very happy to buy from sellers they think are specialised on their topic, or ideally from sellers that are indeed specialised on their topic.

Had an order today for proofreading - I have one proofreading gig to cover all.

He then asked to cancel it because he found someone who specializes in proofreading Website Copy… He sent the link to me and the person has a variety of “specialties” as well as a catch all proofreading gig. All have almost identical descriptions bar the one specialty keyword. Explained this to him and of course he was happy to stay with me then but the point stuck with me that I may be missing out because I don’t have proofreading gigs to specialize in every individual thing. Same could be said of translation, Marketing, SEO…

I will market your dog toy business, I will market your cat toy business, I will market your pet toy business. This type of rubbish really annoys me and is completely unnecessary in most cases. Sure, specialization is a thing and some people do some things really well, but this idea of having 6 specializations is just a joke.

The questions is now, do I rant about it continually or do I jump on board?

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It will just lead to less sales for most people, if everyone thinks like me and they believe those are the only topics covered by the writer. Not sure if/when this will appear for other categories.

That’s interesting to see, I’ve already written that I’m convinced that Fiverr 3.0 wants people to specialize somewhere above. It probably matters little to and for Fiverr if some people will make fewer sales because of it - as long as there are more than enough sellers in the respective category to absorb all potential orders. One of Frank’s important points was “make the buyer happy”, and I’m pretty sure it makes buyers (especially the more sophisticated, demanding, up-market, … ones) very happy to buy from sellers they think are specialised on their topic, or ideally from sellers that are indeed specialised on their topic.

Had an order today for proofreading - I have one proofreading gig to cover all.

He then asked to cancel it because he found someone who specializes in proofreading Website Copy… He sent the link to me and the person has a variety of “specialties” as well as a catch all proofreading gig. All have almost identical descriptions bar the one specialty keyword. Explained this to him and of course he was happy to stay with me then but the point stuck with me that I may be missing out because I don’t have proofreading gigs to specialize in every individual thing. Same could be said of translation, Marketing, SEO…

I will market your dog toy business, I will market your cat toy business, I will market your pet toy business. This type of rubbish really annoys me and is completely unnecessary in most cases. Sure, specialization is a thing and some people do some things really well, but this idea of having 6 specializations is just a joke.

The questions is now, do I rant about it continually or do I jump on board?

. Sure, specialization is a thing and some people do some things really well, but this idea of having 6 specializations is just a joke.

That’s what I said. For writers, translators, proofreaders, you can’t have dozens upon dozens of specializations. It messes things up for us. Right now I am just offering general content, I didn’t specialize in anything, I just want to test it out and see how it goes.

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I think it’s worth mentioning that if you get more than usual orders a day then the new algorithm will probably suppress your gig until you clear enough out. I got 4 orders (mix of new and returning buyers) 2 days ago but I haven’t received a single message since yesterday which doesn’t happen often.

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It will just lead to less sales for most people, if everyone thinks like me and they believe those are the only topics covered by the writer. Not sure if/when this will appear for other categories.

That’s interesting to see, I’ve already written that I’m convinced that Fiverr 3.0 wants people to specialize somewhere above. It probably matters little to and for Fiverr if some people will make fewer sales because of it - as long as there are more than enough sellers in the respective category to absorb all potential orders. One of Frank’s important points was “make the buyer happy”, and I’m pretty sure it makes buyers (especially the more sophisticated, demanding, up-market, … ones) very happy to buy from sellers they think are specialised on their topic, or ideally from sellers that are indeed specialised on their topic.

Had an order today for proofreading - I have one proofreading gig to cover all.

He then asked to cancel it because he found someone who specializes in proofreading Website Copy… He sent the link to me and the person has a variety of “specialties” as well as a catch all proofreading gig. All have almost identical descriptions bar the one specialty keyword. Explained this to him and of course he was happy to stay with me then but the point stuck with me that I may be missing out because I don’t have proofreading gigs to specialize in every individual thing. Same could be said of translation, Marketing, SEO…

I will market your dog toy business, I will market your cat toy business, I will market your pet toy business. This type of rubbish really annoys me and is completely unnecessary in most cases. Sure, specialization is a thing and some people do some things really well, but this idea of having 6 specializations is just a joke.

The questions is now, do I rant about it continually or do I jump on board?

Ah, yes, I can see that happening … and the question indeed is what to do, or if to do …

When I started on Fiverr and saw all the almost identical translation gigs, like one person having a dozen of them offering pretty much the same (if not the same save “awesomest” vs. “perfectest” 😉 translation), I wondered if it has to be that way but settled for general and a handful of specialised offerings, although in fact I kept some of them mostly on pause and only used them temporarily, either to test ideas, or just for customers who’d specifically ask and I’d be fine doing that for.

I had long stretches with only my main, general gig active, and usually only have a max of two or three active at any one point.

My niche gigs are for things I really like doing and wouldn’t mind just doing, and the more it will shift from the general gig to those, the better. Maybe I’ll give up the general gig someday. With my current level, I could have loads of niche gigs, but making gigs just for the sake of dabbling in any niche imaginable … meh.

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