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Changing the parameters of your gigs slightly can give you a little boost from my experience in the past, but I wouldn’t start changing the profile pictures as this will put your gig on hold, and require a review by fiverr staff. Overall, saying old, successful gigs are “boring” and that a newly uploaded picture makes them “hip” again is complete nonsense, I don’t think fiverr would implement something like that, especially since many gigs are focused on the skills of the provider, and not a mere “I will say anything in a funny voice”-type. It would be counterproductive and reduce the quality of the services provided.

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As a buyer I prefer old successful gigs and when I see so many new gigs on the first page with less than ten reviews, or no reviews at all, it is like walking into a liquor store and never seeing any brands of beer I’ve heard of before. I’m likely to leave.
I do look at the number of reviews and the level of sellers.

I know there are lots of newer sellers with less experience and I am not a gambler by nature. I prefer things that are tried and true.

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@insects44 you are missing a very crucial piece of information.

The algorithm is looking to serve relevant gigs to buyers.

Old gigs that the algo now deems irrelevant, due to a change in category or a rise in competition will surely be pushed down and editing will be needed to jolt them back for re-evaluation.

But I doubt editing your gigs repeatedly is the trick you think it is and does what you think it does.

You are free of course to do what you think is right for you, and experiment with your business.

We of course thank you for trying to be helpful but you haven’t proved anything nor have enough hard data to back up any of your claims. So I personally think you jumped the gun in sharing your “findings” and giving other users advice on the matter.

Also for the millionth time: search results are dynamic. Location, time of day, category, keywords, we all get served different results. And incognito search doesn’t help you as much as you think to get a proper search result.

@frank_d, can I add this in my post and credit you?

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This is a long topic and thread. There are a lot of things you could disagree for. If you notice something which is not correct, tag me and tell me what needs to be corrected.



I recently noticed this “bug”: Top sellers from the first page get thrown to the last page and then forgotten forever. If you came here to learn why and how I fixed it, you’ve come to the right place. However, this may take a lot of effort from your side, so, get ready! 🚀

Before I show you the steps to fix your gig’s position in the search, I wanna explain how the search algorithm works and why so many people are confused about it.


Why am I getting demoted?


Fiverr decided to insert a new tactic, which confused a lot of sellers, and they don’t know what to do. Fiverr want’s to give chance to new sellers, that’s why there is always circulation on the first page in the search. A random amount of new sellers are getting promoted on the first page, so they have a little bit of chance to grow into successful sellers.

Fiverr decided to demote old gigs that were not edited for a long time. For example, you may have a thousand of reviews, however, you haven’t updated your gig from a year, Fiverr randomly decides that your gig is old, and boring, and throws it back to the last page, where it will be forgotten if you don’t do anything about it. This is probably a new clean-up strategy to remove old gigs from the first pages.

No matter if your gig is active, with a lot of orders in queue, whether you have any rank or not, you lose it in minutes. Then you have to regain everything again the way you started, however this time it must be easier because you have reviews.

This didn’t seem to occur before, so I think there is a change that has been made in the algorithm.


How do I get on the first page again?


First, make sure you are searching for your gig right. If you search you gig with “animation”, it may not be on first place, however, if you search it with “loading animation”, it may be in the first place! If you tried every possible search and you couldn’t find your gig, then you may continue reading this thread.


SUMMARY, if you don't have time to read this topic:

If you have tried everything, editing your gig, tags, images, video… and nothing worked, the best thing for you, if you are one of those sellers with a lot of orders getting demoted is buyer requests. If you have more time to read, continue reading, and find out yourself…


I contacted support about this issue and they answered exactly what I expected:

Regularly refresh your Gigs with new photos and descriptions


Before I tell you what I did, let me show you the results of it:

This is my gig:

These are my tags:

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And this is my spot in the search when I search for “Loading GIF and GIF loading animation”:

Tags are the main reason I’m there. I purposely thought of every input possible and set my tags to the most common inputs I thought I buyer would type.

My 5 tags, which are Loading, Animation, Gif, Animated, Logo, can form a lot of searches. For example, my 5 tags can form those phrases: GIF, Loading GIF, Animated logo GIF, Animated GIF, Loading Animation, Logo animation GIF.


The search algorithm is NOT based on SEO, and any SEO will not affect your gig’s rank. At least, that’s what I think. If I’m wrong, here is how to improve SEO. If you use tags that people will never type in the search bar, you aren’t gonna get in front.

Click me for SEO stuff:

Make sure your tags are what people will search in the search bar. Then:

  1. Use tags all separated, no two words in one tag. Try to use synonyms instead of 2-worded tags. This is what I use:

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  2. Use your tags in your title:

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  3. Use more of your tags in your description, without making them way too many (I tried my best to add as many tags as possible without making it too much):


Once you edit a gig, it may disappear from the search for about 24 hours, but you have a chance to get it in front of other gigs once it appears again. If your gig becomes viral (receives a lot of orders), NEVER edit your gig, as it may go back in the search results page.


The most important step: BE ACTIVE!

Once you update your gig, as CS recommended, I really doubt that it will immediately go in front of others. I think the only solution is more activity from us, the sellers. If you got demoted, I recommend you to actively start using buyer requests.

One more thing which may help is nice test results. Take the tests you can, so you get more attention.


ATTENTION! None of this guarantees you coming back from hell to heaven. You should be really active in order to do so. You should be doing everything you possibly could think of to correct your gigs, including correcting your gig’s spelling, grammar, using buyer requests, sharing your gig somewhere, where the audience might be interested, and so on.

@nikavoice, @misscrystal, @sarikaverma007, @bodmas, @sameed_webdev, @fittranslate, @toner2d, @oyinstudio, @cyaxrex, @eoinfinnegan, and all others which I didn’t mention, Thank you all of sharing info with me! I think it would have been impossible without you. Thanks for the votes in the poll too! I learned from your experiences to create this giant conclusion. Here are the results from the poll:

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I already know there are a lot of mistakes, this is such a big post that I can’t make sure everything is correct. I will appreciate if you tell me if you spot something! Please, give a like for my hard work, I wanna see your support! ❤️

At least, that’s what CS told me. However, as I said,

However, there are a lot of problems you may run into when updating your gig’s images and descriptions. Here is how to get past them and go back to number 1:

If you read the entire topic, you will find other solutions.

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@insects44 you are missing a very crucial piece of information.

The algorithm is looking to serve relevant gigs to buyers.

Old gigs that the algo now deems irrelevant, due to a change in category or a rise in competition will surely be pushed down and editing will be needed to jolt them back for re-evaluation.

But I doubt editing your gigs repeatedly is the trick you think it is and does what you think it does.

You are free of course to do what you think is right for you, and experiment with your business.

We of course thank you for trying to be helpful but you haven’t proved anything nor have enough hard data to back up any of your claims. So I personally think you jumped the gun in sharing your “findings” and giving other users advice on the matter.

Also for the millionth time: search results are dynamic. Location, time of day, category, keywords, we all get served different results. And incognito search doesn’t help you as much as you think to get a proper search result.

@frank_d Not everything in my topic is based on knowledge. Some is based on logic and calculations. For example:

If this and this doesn't work, then this is the only possible option left

Also, I shared many methods… everything I could think of and everything I did to become a successful seller. Don’t get me wrong. I had problems too, and fixed them using the methods above.

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@insects44 i appreciate your findings / research

and i would like to add some core values in Mr @frank_d statements.

i have been in touch with fiverr vertical Manager of programming and tech category

and here’s his response about ranking. hopefully it will help to add some authenticity in this topcic

This Fiverr rep is confirming what I keep saying on this forum -and on my one stream on the subject- that ranking is about relevance.

Just because you are relevant today, it doesn’t mean you will be the next week.

And that’s because of many MANY variables.

The algorithm doesn’t rely on your gig’s tags to define relevance. This isn’t Google.

There are over a dozen metrics, different types of measuring performance as well.

Sellers never look past reviews. We need to get over how many perfect reviews we have.

To sum up: There is no hack.

And btw editing your gig all the time isn’t a good idea for sellers who aren’t part of the “success program”.

Because between you and me, I can edit my gig 20 times a day and my gig won’t be taken off SERP for even a second. But a seller who isn’t a part of that program will see their gig disappear for 24-48 hours.

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This Fiverr rep is confirming what I keep saying on this forum -and on my one stream on the subject- that ranking is about relevance.

Just because you are relevant today, it doesn’t mean you will be the next week.

And that’s because of many MANY variables.

The algorithm doesn’t rely on your gig’s tags to define relevance. This isn’t Google.

There are over a dozen metrics, different types of measuring performance as well.

Sellers never look past reviews. We need to get over how many perfect reviews we have.

To sum up: There is no hack.

And btw editing your gig all the time isn’t a good idea for sellers who aren’t part of the “success program”.

Because between you and me, I can edit my gig 20 times a day and my gig won’t be taken off SERP for even a second. But a seller who isn’t a part of that program will see their gig disappear for 24-48 hours.

I can edit my gig 20 times a day and my gig won’t be taken off SERP for even a second. But a seller who isn’t a part of that program will see their gig disappear for 24-48 ho

That’s very interesting. I wish I could edit my gigs without worrying about them vanishing or something else happening to them.

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This Fiverr rep is confirming what I keep saying on this forum -and on my one stream on the subject- that ranking is about relevance.

Just because you are relevant today, it doesn’t mean you will be the next week.

And that’s because of many MANY variables.

The algorithm doesn’t rely on your gig’s tags to define relevance. This isn’t Google.

There are over a dozen metrics, different types of measuring performance as well.

Sellers never look past reviews. We need to get over how many perfect reviews we have.

To sum up: There is no hack.

And btw editing your gig all the time isn’t a good idea for sellers who aren’t part of the “success program”.

Because between you and me, I can edit my gig 20 times a day and my gig won’t be taken off SERP for even a second. But a seller who isn’t a part of that program will see their gig disappear for 24-48 hours.

The algorithm doesn’t rely on your gig’s tags to define relevance. This isn’t Google.

There are over a dozen metrics, different types of measuring performance as well

yes… 100% agreed on that

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As I said, only editing your gig images and descriptions MAY NOT HELP! You may also need to be more active in buyer requests. That’s how new sellers grow. You are sent back to the level of a new seller, and you shall do what a new seller would do

You may also need to be more active in buyer requests. That’s how new sellers grow.

How does that work for areas that don’t have any buyer requests, ever? I regularly checked them, at different times and several times a day for a few weeks, and I haven’t seen a single editing/proofreading request. It baffled me quite a bit, even after reading a bunch of forum threads about it.

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You may also need to be more active in buyer requests. That’s how new sellers grow.

How does that work for areas that don’t have any buyer requests, ever? I regularly checked them, at different times and several times a day for a few weeks, and I haven’t seen a single editing/proofreading request. It baffled me quite a bit, even after reading a bunch of forum threads about it.

In order to get the right kind of buyer requests, your gig should be in the right gig category first. Next step, refresh the page more often, as this will make more requests appear. As much more activity from your side you have, as much more Fiverr will give you!

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This Fiverr rep is confirming what I keep saying on this forum -and on my one stream on the subject- that ranking is about relevance.

Just because you are relevant today, it doesn’t mean you will be the next week.

And that’s because of many MANY variables.

The algorithm doesn’t rely on your gig’s tags to define relevance. This isn’t Google.

There are over a dozen metrics, different types of measuring performance as well.

Sellers never look past reviews. We need to get over how many perfect reviews we have.

To sum up: There is no hack.

And btw editing your gig all the time isn’t a good idea for sellers who aren’t part of the “success program”.

Because between you and me, I can edit my gig 20 times a day and my gig won’t be taken off SERP for even a second. But a seller who isn’t a part of that program will see their gig disappear for 24-48 hours.

And btw editing your gig all the time isn’t a good idea for sellers who aren’t a part of the “success program”.

Right. I forgot about that. Please disregard all of my comments about how editing your gig is never a problem, I was being a bit of a forgetful backside about it.

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And btw editing your gig all the time isn’t a good idea for sellers who aren’t a part of the “success program”.

Right. I forgot about that. Please disregard all of my comments about how editing your gig is never a problem, I was being a bit of a forgetful backside about it.

Editing a gig is a problem, when you edit it in 24 hours then after 24 hours again, then again… If you do so, your gig won’t have time to show up in the search. That’s why, I recommend only to edit a gig once in 2 weeks if there are problems.

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You may also need to be more active in buyer requests. That’s how new sellers grow.

How does that work for areas that don’t have any buyer requests, ever? I regularly checked them, at different times and several times a day for a few weeks, and I haven’t seen a single editing/proofreading request. It baffled me quite a bit, even after reading a bunch of forum threads about it.

Scroll to Eoinfinnegan’s reply in this thread, that might explain it (spoiler: you’ll probably see more, once you’re level 1 🙂) :

Got Level One Seller, Over 600 Buyers requests from about an average of 5?



The algorithm is such an intricate thing, made up by so many variables, that it’s hard to ever be sure about what exactly causes what. Even if you do x and y happens, it doesn’t mean that x caused y to happen, y can have happened because of s and t, or because of n (a variable that you aren’t even aware of), or just because it was your turn.

Regarding editing, I’ve had my best-selling gig disappear for full ten days once, at which point I contacted support, and they nudged it back into existence, so, if you do edit, keep tabs on your gig and don’t wait ten days before you contact support, unless you’re happy enough without new orders for a while.

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Editing a gig is a problem, when you edit it in 24 hours then after 24 hours again, then again… If you do so, your gig won’t have time to show up in the search. That’s why, I recommend only to edit a gig once in 2 weeks if there are problems.

Yeah, I remember it being a problem for me and then stopping being a problem. I forgot about the success program which might have happened in the meantime.

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Scroll to Eoinfinnegan’s reply in this thread, that might explain it (spoiler: you’ll probably see more, once you’re level 1 🙂) :

Got Level One Seller, Over 600 Buyers requests from about an average of 5?



The algorithm is such an intricate thing, made up by so many variables, that it’s hard to ever be sure about what exactly causes what. Even if you do x and y happens, it doesn’t mean that x caused y to happen, y can have happened because of s and t, or because of n (a variable that you aren’t even aware of), or just because it was your turn.

Regarding editing, I’ve had my best-selling gig disappear for full ten days once, at which point I contacted support, and they nudged it back into existence, so, if you do edit, keep tabs on your gig and don’t wait ten days before you contact support, unless you’re happy enough without new orders for a while.

Thank you for this!

And here I thought the algorithm of the writing site I am on is complicated… Fiverr is next level in terms of hidden and far-fetched variables and tricks.

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For me, as with many sellers, gigs being moved to the last page out of the blues started when the problem with the analytic page began. Although they might tell us nothing is wrong, something definitely is. It’s been months now and they have not fixed it. If it was a display issue, they would have. I’m very sure this single gig analytics page affects the gig placement, gig algorithm and so much more. More than a month now with no single order which is not from buyer’s request or returning buyer. As with most people, my gigs moved to the last page.

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For me, as with many sellers, gigs being moved to the last page out of the blues started when the problem with the analytic page began. Although they might tell us nothing is wrong, something definitely is. It’s been months now and they have not fixed it. If it was a display issue, they would have. I’m very sure this single gig analytics page affects the gig placement, gig algorithm and so much more. More than a month now with no single order which is not from buyer’s request or returning buyer. As with most people, my gigs moved to the last page.

Although they might tell us nothing is wrong, something definitely is.

I agree… it’s more than a simple analytics issue

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Ah I just saw this message on the initial page for this issue. Guess I was right all along. The analytic page has pulled some many other things out of place. So guys, don’t worry about your gigs now. When they are done working on the whole system and your gig is still in the last page or isn’t getting messages, then you can worry.

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Ah I just saw this message on the initial page for this issue. Guess I was right all along. The analytic page has pulled some many other things out of place. So guys, don’t worry about your gigs now. When they are done working on the whole system and your gig is still in the last page or isn’t getting messages, then you can worry.

It would be ilogic to place gigs with 2 reviews in front of gigs with 20k reviews… no matter what they say , something is definitely broken…

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It would be ilogic to place gigs with 2 reviews in front of gigs with 20k reviews… no matter what they say , something is definitely broken…

But still people believe everything is fine even though they are not from Fiverr Team. I mean why don’t they do some research and go through all these forum posts which are being posted daily. And those are the people who joined Fiverr a year or two ago and are telling people who are here for 6-7 years that nothing is wrong.

Fiverr should take this seriously and work on it or at least provide an update as this is not happening with just one person or two.

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