Is tipping sometimes discouraged by Fivver's fees?

[Guest iberbsmooth1]

Is Fiverr’s only obligation to merely provide this platform for buyers and sellers and that’s it - while doling out said equity to it’s users ONLY to the extent that it serves to pad its bottom line?

That’s usually how businesses operate. Last time I checked this was not a charity.

What I do not like is the $2 order fee charged on tips.

If $2 is a deal breaker to you then don’t tip. Problem solved.

Seems you guys don’t understand fiverr gets to earn money from its website.

It’s outrageous to call fiverr greedy for simply charging fees for use of the site. It’s not here to do anything but earn money. If you don’t like the fees no one is forcing you to use it.

Charity??? LOL! In that you would be absolutely correct. On the flip side you failed to gather the entirety of the point - or perhaps you simply chose to hone in on the one item that you feel negates everything else I spoke to. Either or doesn’t really matter. But it’s statements such as “That’s usually how businesses operate” that keep the majority of working Americans slaves to a broken system that continues to devalue the worth of actual human beings (in favor of technology et.al) cuz only the bottom-line matters. SIGH! They also call that progress. Others might refer to it as out-of-touch and insensitive. But hey… capitalism and all, amIright?

So yeah, I think we all get what you mean. And again, I meant exactly what I stated above.

[misscrystal]

Charity??? LOL! In that you would be absolutely correct. On the flip side you failed to gather the entirety of the point - or perhaps you simply chose to hone in on the one item that you feel negates everything else I spoke to. Either or doesn’t really matter. But it’s statements such as “That’s usually how businesses operate” that keep the majority of working Americans slaves to a broken system that continues to devalue the worth of actual human beings (in favor of technology et.al) cuz only the bottom-line matters. SIGH! They also call that progress. Others might refer to it as out-of-touch and insensitive. But hey… capitalism and all, amIright?

So yeah, I think we all get what you mean. And again, I meant exactly what I stated above.

But it’s statements such as “That’s usually how businesses operate” that keep the majority of working Americans slaves to a broken system that continues to devalue the worth of actual human beings

If you prefer charities you are on the wrong site. I don’t know why you feel entitled to get things free of charge?

For some the system is the opposite of “broken”. It works well for many.

It’s a sense of being entitled to not have to pay for anything, or work for anything, that raises it’s head here. Working is not slavery.

[Guest iberbsmooth1]

But it’s statements such as “That’s usually how businesses operate” that keep the majority of working Americans slaves to a broken system that continues to devalue the worth of actual human beings

If you prefer charities you are on the wrong site. I don’t know why you feel entitled to get things free of charge?

For some the system is the opposite of “broken”. It works well for many.

It’s a sense of being entitled to not have to pay for anything, or work for anything, that raises it’s head here. Working is not slavery.

Who said I prefer charities. Respectfully, that’s silly talk and I’m not here to argue. As for a system that works well for many - yes it does, except for the ones it doesn’t who are many more in actuality. It’s funny how the main ones who have the most are the first to talk about those without being the entitled ones. We’re done here.

[misscrystal]

Who said I prefer charities. Respectfully, that’s silly talk and I’m not here to argue. As for a system that works well for many - yes it does, except for the ones it doesn’t who are many more in actuality. It’s funny how the main ones who have the most are the first to talk about those without being the entitled ones. We’re done here.

As for a system that works well for many - yes it does, except for the ones it doesn’t who are many more in actuality.

Working online is not the right thing for everyone. Some are cut out for it and some are not. If someone doesn’t earn money on fiverr it’s not fiverr’s fault.

This is not supposed to be something that everyone and anyone can do to earn money. It takes some basic skills and ability. Fiverr does not give handouts. Some people seem to be bitter about that. That’s what I meant about sense of entitlement.

[Guest manucornel]

With all due respect to some of the comments herein: let’s not confuse letter of the law with ‘spirit’ of the law. It’s goes without saying what Fiverr’s rights are – it’s their platform. The issue here is equity. Whether or not ppl tip all the time or as they should or Fiverr allowing a platform that enables sellers to sale a product that (I agree) would require more time, resources and most likely finances still does not negate the legitimacy of the greed factor and also doesn’t address the issue @ hand.

The mere ability to do something doesn’t necessarily make it the right thing to do. Furthermore, intimating that buyers should just suck it up is also counterproductive. What does Fiverr allowing sellers the aforementioned platform to sell their products or ppl not tipping their Lyft driver have to do with Fiverr taking a percentage of a tip meant 100% for the seller? Automatically built-in tips some opine? Well then, how about we just not require or expect ppl to produce quality work bcuz they will receive something either way? Bucz none of us has ever run into a situation where we received shoddy service but were still expected to tip, right?

I personally wouldn’t lose sleep over whether or not I received tips. It is (as far as I’m concerned) within the rights of the buyers to determine if they will do so. My work (outside of Fiverr) has always stood on it’s own merits and will continue as such. If I retain you as a repeat customer (tips notwithstanding) I’m totally fine with that. However, I don’t work in a tips related industry. But there are far too many jobs in society today that pay salaries that pale in comparison to the cost of living, forcing individuals into very confining/compromising situations where they must resort to extreme measures to make ends meet. So yes, many folks ‘rely’ on tips (unfortunately).

Again, Fiverr’s RIGHTS here isn’t the issue as I see it – rather operating in fair equity with the folks who also make it possible for them and this platform to exist. Honestly, this entire dynamic we all share is more quid-pro-quo than a simple one-sided affair. Is Fiverr’s only obligation to merely provide this platform for buyers and sellers and that’s it - while doling out said equity to it’s users ONLY to the extent that it serves to pad its bottom line? I considered correlating the practice to usury but don’t want to digress as that may be a post for another time. As for the issue of tipping itself, I will choose to side with buyers on this one. Fiverr wouldn’t be hurt one bit by allowing it’s sellers to receive 100% of tips. Yes, Fiverr will do what Fiverr is going to do but that doesn’t mean I have to agree with it. And I gather I’m not the only one who feels this way.

The fee of Fiverr is:

• Service fees are added at the time of purchase where a Buyer can review and accept the total amount requested to pay. These fees cover administrative fees. As of May 2018, the current fees assessed to the total purchase amount are $2 on purchases up to $40 and 5% on purchases above $40.

If you paid more because of conversion and other taxes, it really isn’t Fiverr’s fault. Besides this 2$ and 5% amount, anything else is given by how taxes and exchange rates work.

But there are far too many jobs in society today that pay salaries that pale in comparison to the cost of living, forcing individuals into very confining/compromising situations where they must resort to extreme measures to make ends meet. So yes, many folks ‘rely’ on tips (unfortunately).

I am sorry, force? Who’s forcing them to accept a salary that is not enough? Let that cheapskate owner without workforce and you will see how fast they will be willing to increase wage. I will quote James Allen in this case, because he said beautifully.

"The truth is that oppressor and slave are cooperators in ignorance, and, while seeming to afflict each other, are in reality afflicting themselves. "

I live in Romania, the land of low wages. Did I succumbed to this mentality and surrendered to a life of mediocrity with a 400 euro per month wage? (which after taxes, you get 60% of it). NO. I’d rather starve trying to make my way into a better country than accept this.

The point is, nobody is oppressed on Fiverr. If we don’t like it here, we are free to go where we want. There are other ways and means to give or get tips.

If these fees are productive or counterproductive for them it’s more like a wild guess. While I agree that encouraging small tips on a large scale could be more productive than scaring them, I guess they had a good reason to apply these things. Imagine that someone is offering 5$ services that are worth much more, just for the sake of receiving the rest of the value as tips from buyers. How easy would it be to exploit this with multiple accounts and a large number of small orders if tipping 5$ would be tax-free? Extremely easy.

I remember a movie with a bank heist, where robbers used small transactions in big numbers to steal the money, so they wouldn’t trigger an alarm from the bank.

Who knows how many things happened at the 5$ range that made them do this. As far as I can see it, those that are willing to pay more have less to suffer, and you can call me greedy, but I prefer it this way.

But if I like it or not it’s irrelevant. It’s their platforms and their fees. If we don’t like it we can start our own website and do our thing. Who’s stopping us? 🙂

[jonbaas]

Who said I prefer charities. Respectfully, that’s silly talk and I’m not here to argue. As for a system that works well for many - yes it does, except for the ones it doesn’t who are many more in actuality. It’s funny how the main ones who have the most are the first to talk about those without being the entitled ones. We’re done here.

As for a system that works well for many - yes it does, except for the ones it doesn’t who are many more in actuality. It’s funny how the main ones who have the most are the first to talk about those without being the entitled ones.

If a system isn’t working for someone, they can either find a way to make it work, or go find a different system they like better. No one is entitled to anything that they did not work hard and smart to earn.

The problem is, the vast majority of “new sellers” that I see here on Fiverr have no interest in trading hard, smart work for anything. They want what they want, when they want it, without accepting the necessary process required to earn it.

I have no sympathy for those who are unwilling to work for their own success.

The first step toward failure is expecting everything for free. The sellers that “have the most” understand this. The sellers who are “the entitled ones” do not.

[marygk]

Yikes! I did not know that — thanks for posting about this. There is a lot I like about Fiverr, but that seems kind of shady 😕

[misscrystal]

Those of us who “have the most” put in 60 hours a week on this site and have done that for many years. We started out with our $5 gigs working day and night to provide excellent service. I’ve answered my messages from a hospital bed, driven to the next town in the middle of the night many times when we didn’t have internet service where I live, borrowed friends computers when mine died, and worked without sleep much of the time.

I have never felt fiverr owed me anything just because I came and posted a few gigs.

[Guest manucornel]

Those of us who “have the most” put in 60 hours a week on this site and have done that for many years. We started out with our $5 gigs working day and night to provide excellent service. I’ve answered my messages from a hospital bed, driven to the next town in the middle of the night many times when we didn’t have internet service where I live, borrowed friends computers when mine died, and worked without sleep much of the time.

I have never felt fiverr owed me anything just because I came and posted a few gigs.

I have never felt fiverr owed me anything

That’s the golden Nugget here. Fiverr doesn’t owe us anything, and neither do us to them. We are business partners that collaborate on mutual terms.

When we sign up here, we agree with their terms because we like what we get in return. There are a couple of things that I wish they would be different here, but none has to do with paying fees.

Paying fees and taxes is what keep things running, on Fiverr and any other country and company. We cannot expect quality service without paying it properly.

I think people shouldn’t blame taxes for not having enough money, because it has nothing to do with it. Most successful people I know, that make a lot of money, are always happy to pay any service fee. I guess it’s something you eventually understand when you are a business owner and you add a fee so you can make a profit.

If we are on Fiverr, we are business owners of ourselves, not employees of Fiverr, even if we acknowledge the responsibility or not. 🙂

[ultimatefantasy]

Those of us who “have the most” put in 60 hours a week on this site and have done that for many years. We started out with our $5 gigs working day and night to provide excellent service. I’ve answered my messages from a hospital bed, driven to the next town in the middle of the night many times when we didn’t have internet service where I live, borrowed friends computers when mine died, and worked without sleep much of the time.

I have never felt fiverr owed me anything just because I came and posted a few gigs.

It’s great that you are so dedicated and genuinely passionate about the services you provide. As a buyer, I like to pay for the services and the job is done. Then, if the seller is awesome, I like to give them a personal tip. I just wish Fivver didn’t feel the need to put their hand out from the side while I’m tipping and take a share of it. That’s all. It’s just a policy that many buyers feel is stinky.

All the best to you! May you have another awesome year putting your positive energy and heart into your work. I admire your drive and determination. Sounds like you’ve been building this for some time, and that’s really special. Cheers!

[naikoosuhaib]

I feel that the additional fee for tipping a seller is a little out of place, in that when I offer to tip someone for a service provided, I like to know that that specific payment is for the seller only, and do not feel comfortable with the additional fee Fivver charges me for the privilege of tipping. I think Fivver is awesome, and maybe this fee gesture is in not so great taste. Is this discouraging buyers from tipping sometimes? What is best practice?

I know I won’t be using fivver anymore.

Basically Fiverr will never care because everyone is happy as they are giving a free platform to earn good! The company has worked hard and come to this stage so they too have some rights!

[misscrystal]

I know I won’t be using fivver anymore.

Basically Fiverr will never care because everyone is happy as they are giving a free platform to earn good! The company has worked hard and come to this stage so they too have some rights!

@ultimatefantasy You made a good point. Just as I have raised my prices from when I started, and was able to do that due to the growing popularity I’ve had, fiverr has done the same thing.

If someone complains my prices are high, I let them know the years when all my gigs were $5 and I was never late, delivered exactly what I said I would, was always here for questions night and day, and the years of unfailing service and benefits I’ve provided. So fiverr has earned a raise. Like me, it’s proven itself.

[miiila]

The thing is that we know for a fact that lots of people (try to) violate(d) the terms in other fields, where it became obvious.
They operate multiple accounts, re-register after permanent bans, offered refunds to avoid bad reviews, sell copyrighted images as their own, steal fellow sellers’ gig descriptions, images, even bio, and so on.

All this led to several changes, as Fiverr had to find ways to counteract that (phone/ID verification, consequences for even mutual cancellations and monthly evaluations, etc.).

The “tip thing” is something we can’t see but I don’t doubt that buyers who (fully knowing that it’s not allowed, even can lead to the seller losing their account and Fiverr income which in many cases is their only income) habitually asked/would ask sellers for deals outside of Fiverr did and would use that tip thing to avoid fees for the actual order, and from what I’ve seen on this forum and other places during my time with Fiverr, lots of sellers would try to make “tip deals” from their side too. I’d love to say it’s just a dozen people every year, so just forget it, but I’m not confident enough for that.

I don’t think that it’s the majority of buyers or sellers who’d “abuse tipping”, but I do think Fiverr charges fees on tips because of that reason and not because of greed.
If it was greed, they’d get a lot less flack and moral outrage if they simply raised the fees.

I absolutely feel the pain (financial and in principle) of paying fees on tips (I don’t buy so often but don’t forget that not just buyers pay $2/5% but sellers pay 20% fee even) and it would be nice if they’d have a system in place instead that would not put fees on tips but instead human workforce big enough to check if the tips are honest tips or a way to circumvent fees, but with the high number of transactions and users, I suppose that might lead to much higher general fees, which nobody wants either.

A lot of transactions are without tips, and if we sellers had to live with higher fees on all orders we do, just to not pay fees for the tips we get, that would be a very bad deal for most, I’d say all, of us.

So, yes, I’m not happy at all with fees on tips, both as a buyer and seller of gigs, I wish there was a better system but I don’t think it’s greed but no better way, helplessness to deal with the abuse.
Just like some of the more recent changes were born of the need to counteract abuse of the mutual cancellation system hit some people who really didn’t deserve it.
(Much) more staff could solve many of the complaints against Fiverr but I don’t think we’ll get it (and if it came at a high price point, we - buyers and sellers alike) probably wouldn’t want it either).
I don’t think Fiverr would want to stand there as “the company who takes fees on tips out of greed” or “the company who penalizes good sellers for cancellations that are the fault of buyers” if they had a better way (yet) to deal with those issues.

[Guest iberbsmooth1]

The fee of Fiverr is:

• Service fees are added at the time of purchase where a Buyer can review and accept the total amount requested to pay. These fees cover administrative fees. As of May 2018, the current fees assessed to the total purchase amount are $2 on purchases up to $40 and 5% on purchases above $40.

If you paid more because of conversion and other taxes, it really isn’t Fiverr’s fault. Besides this 2$ and 5% amount, anything else is given by how taxes and exchange rates work.

But there are far too many jobs in society today that pay salaries that pale in comparison to the cost of living, forcing individuals into very confining/compromising situations where they must resort to extreme measures to make ends meet. So yes, many folks ‘rely’ on tips (unfortunately).

I am sorry, force? Who’s forcing them to accept a salary that is not enough? Let that cheapskate owner without workforce and you will see how fast they will be willing to increase wage. I will quote James Allen in this case, because he said beautifully.

"The truth is that oppressor and slave are cooperators in ignorance, and, while seeming to afflict each other, are in reality afflicting themselves. "

I live in Romania, the land of low wages. Did I succumbed to this mentality and surrendered to a life of mediocrity with a 400 euro per month wage? (which after taxes, you get 60% of it). NO. I’d rather starve trying to make my way into a better country than accept this.

The point is, nobody is oppressed on Fiverr. If we don’t like it here, we are free to go where we want. There are other ways and means to give or get tips.

If these fees are productive or counterproductive for them it’s more like a wild guess. While I agree that encouraging small tips on a large scale could be more productive than scaring them, I guess they had a good reason to apply these things. Imagine that someone is offering 5$ services that are worth much more, just for the sake of receiving the rest of the value as tips from buyers. How easy would it be to exploit this with multiple accounts and a large number of small orders if tipping 5$ would be tax-free? Extremely easy.

I remember a movie with a bank heist, where robbers used small transactions in big numbers to steal the money, so they wouldn’t trigger an alarm from the bank.

Who knows how many things happened at the 5$ range that made them do this. As far as I can see it, those that are willing to pay more have less to suffer, and you can call me greedy, but I prefer it this way.

But if I like it or not it’s irrelevant. It’s their platforms and their fees. If we don’t like it we can start our own website and do our thing. Who’s stopping us? 🙂

Out of courtesy I’m replying but please understand this is my final commentary on the matter.

I totally respect everyone’s life experiences and I absolutely understand the opposing viewpoint of others and it is duly noted. But again, my point here is missed. Who said anything about handouts, charities and the justifications for institutions like Fivver and why/how they administer the fees they do? Sounds like a bit of self-emoting to me. All of that is dismissive of a legitimate complaint expressed by a fellow member. As a new member here I know nothing about other members new or otherwise wanting something for free or abusing rules and that really is NOT the subject of this post anyway.

Not to mention, making the leap from someone relating their frustration with how fees are attached to their tips to proffering a James Allen quote as sufficient evidence of what exactly… I’m not sure??? Let’s focus for a moment… Oh yeah, quick sidenote first: the year James Allen’s father was killed guess what my ancestors were doing? In other words, J.A. Quotes are immaterial here. But if it makes anyone feel better, I’ll be sure to share with my fellow Black Americans how we were complicit in our own 400yr ‘situation’ according to James Allen cuz well… HE should know, right? Furthermore, I’ll spread the conclusion that our fellow members (buyers and sellers) can all go kick rocks cuz this is Fiverr’s house and we’re all proverbial squirrels scrambling for nuts, so just keep our thoughts and opinions on how they conduct business to our collective selves bcuz… we should all just be grateful to exist in Fiverr-land???

Oh nevermind, that’s already been expressed. Thanks.

And still… Zero has been offered here that anyone on this platform isn’t already keenly aware of. This is supposed to be a forum about support, brainstorming and finding solutions to common problems. I responded to OP’s initial thread who simply expressed a very basic frustration and suddenly there are ppl defending Fiverr as if questioning said ‘tip’ imposed fees are indicative of someone wanting a hand out. Well, ain’t that quite the doggone leap! Yeah I know I know… it’s just the way of business and business is business and again… is business. Gotcha. And fees being stated upfront and such. Ditto. And alleged systemic abuse etc. Okay, fine.

My final thoughts on the matter is as follows then I’m done:

Again, I could care less if I receive a tip or not. But unlike some of the off putting responses I’ve read, a tip is NOT charity – but hey whatever, life is short. The one positive here is the possibility of a suggested workaround. I’m on board for that and any other viable solutions.

Anyone who makes a statement (based on a quote) about oppression and co-conspirators with what we know (not only of past American history but) about the ‘current’ modern day scourge (that is a well known and widespread epidemic) is clearly out of touch with the plethora of documented evidence to the contrary that to speak on it further would only serve to make me look silly for encouraging a benign and utterly pointless debate of contention so… I guess I won’t do that.

Furthermore, taking statements out of context without full consideration of the thought process behind said statements just seems lazy. If curt responses re: my comment about ‘forced’ wages is to infer that if a person doesn’t want a low paying wage that they should simply get a higher paying one then I suggest some here think a bit more outside the box for real life clarity. No one chooses any number of things including poverty, being handicapped or even enduring a government shutdown, so misplaced assumptions about anyone’s supposed lack of character, work ethic or life choices is presumptive (and misplaced) as everyone knows life is anything but black and white and I believe that most of us are indeed doing our best to navigate the cards we’ve been dealt (good and bad) bcuz reasonable ppl understand that life sometimes happens TO them and not always as a function of anything wrong one has necessarily initiated. I have a similar story I’d love to share but I feel this post has already become bogged down enough with messaging that has no longer served to elevate the discussion.

Bottom line; I’m about empowerment and problem solving. And I fail to see the logic of justifying one’s business practices on the one hand while concurrently admonishing others to the contrary for what they themselves fail to identify is the e-x-a-c-t same justification in reverse.

I’m certain everyone gets that it’s business as usual. Furthermore, others suggesting that ppl are here looking for charity or a free ride is insulting. To the extent that those individuals exist I imagine that given time they will eventually no longer be here. I will further presuppose that those individuals are in the minority and not indicative of the culture as a whole (newbies included) unless someone presents evidence to the contrary. So yeah… generalizing… not really helpful.

No one here works FOR Fiverr and that is an issue that should be taken into account. Fiverr is NOT an entity unto themselves. As I stated earlier, “Quid-Pro-Quo”. So if a buyer makes a point of relating frustration, even if someone else doesn’t agree with it that doesn’t give anyone the right to be cavalierly dismissive as not worthy of being heard and then further devolve the discussion into condescension (no matter how generically spelled out).

What’s not to get??? I imagine there are areas of improvement within the platform on the Fiverr side as well as with the collective membership but this shouldn’t be an either or proposition as some seem to suggest. It’s about collectively working to make the site better as a whole bcuz everyone benefits as a result (including Fiverr). But the house rules mentality… again, not helpful. Just bcuz things have been done a certain way doesn’t mean there isn’t room for improvement. Buyers, sellers and Fiverr have a mutually beneficial arrangement that serves all parties. And while Fiverr is well within it’s rights not to listen to suggestions/grievances there isn’t anything preventing any of us from making them. And that doesn’t have a d**n thing to do with wanting something for free! If you are happy with the current environment that’s great. Allow room for those who disagree to freely express themselves without the blunt criticisms.

I believe most if not all get it and yet again… getting it does not mean having to agree with it. And not agreeing with it doesn’t mean it’s an absolute deal-breaker and that anyone should leave – only that it is something in need of further discussion and possibly/hopefully solving… with civility.

Anyway, thanks for the (over)indulgence of my .02cents.

I really am done beating this dead horse.

[misscrystal]

Out of courtesy I’m replying but please understand this is my final commentary on the matter.

I totally respect everyone’s life experiences and I absolutely understand the opposing viewpoint of others and it is duly noted. But again, my point here is missed. Who said anything about handouts, charities and the justifications for institutions like Fivver and why/how they administer the fees they do? Sounds like a bit of self-emoting to me. All of that is dismissive of a legitimate complaint expressed by a fellow member. As a new member here I know nothing about other members new or otherwise wanting something for free or abusing rules and that really is NOT the subject of this post anyway.

Not to mention, making the leap from someone relating their frustration with how fees are attached to their tips to proffering a James Allen quote as sufficient evidence of what exactly… I’m not sure??? Let’s focus for a moment… Oh yeah, quick sidenote first: the year James Allen’s father was killed guess what my ancestors were doing? In other words, J.A. Quotes are immaterial here. But if it makes anyone feel better, I’ll be sure to share with my fellow Black Americans how we were complicit in our own 400yr ‘situation’ according to James Allen cuz well… HE should know, right? Furthermore, I’ll spread the conclusion that our fellow members (buyers and sellers) can all go kick rocks cuz this is Fiverr’s house and we’re all proverbial squirrels scrambling for nuts, so just keep our thoughts and opinions on how they conduct business to our collective selves bcuz… we should all just be grateful to exist in Fiverr-land???

Oh nevermind, that’s already been expressed. Thanks.

And still… Zero has been offered here that anyone on this platform isn’t already keenly aware of. This is supposed to be a forum about support, brainstorming and finding solutions to common problems. I responded to OP’s initial thread who simply expressed a very basic frustration and suddenly there are ppl defending Fiverr as if questioning said ‘tip’ imposed fees are indicative of someone wanting a hand out. Well, ain’t that quite the doggone leap! Yeah I know I know… it’s just the way of business and business is business and again… is business. Gotcha. And fees being stated upfront and such. Ditto. And alleged systemic abuse etc. Okay, fine.

My final thoughts on the matter is as follows then I’m done:

Again, I could care less if I receive a tip or not. But unlike some of the off putting responses I’ve read, a tip is NOT charity – but hey whatever, life is short. The one positive here is the possibility of a suggested workaround. I’m on board for that and any other viable solutions.

Anyone who makes a statement (based on a quote) about oppression and co-conspirators with what we know (not only of past American history but) about the ‘current’ modern day scourge (that is a well known and widespread epidemic) is clearly out of touch with the plethora of documented evidence to the contrary that to speak on it further would only serve to make me look silly for encouraging a benign and utterly pointless debate of contention so… I guess I won’t do that.

Furthermore, taking statements out of context without full consideration of the thought process behind said statements just seems lazy. If curt responses re: my comment about ‘forced’ wages is to infer that if a person doesn’t want a low paying wage that they should simply get a higher paying one then I suggest some here think a bit more outside the box for real life clarity. No one chooses any number of things including poverty, being handicapped or even enduring a government shutdown, so misplaced assumptions about anyone’s supposed lack of character, work ethic or life choices is presumptive (and misplaced) as everyone knows life is anything but black and white and I believe that most of us are indeed doing our best to navigate the cards we’ve been dealt (good and bad) bcuz reasonable ppl understand that life sometimes happens TO them and not always as a function of anything wrong one has necessarily initiated. I have a similar story I’d love to share but I feel this post has already become bogged down enough with messaging that has no longer served to elevate the discussion.

Bottom line; I’m about empowerment and problem solving. And I fail to see the logic of justifying one’s business practices on the one hand while concurrently admonishing others to the contrary for what they themselves fail to identify is the e-x-a-c-t same justification in reverse.

I’m certain everyone gets that it’s business as usual. Furthermore, others suggesting that ppl are here looking for charity or a free ride is insulting. To the extent that those individuals exist I imagine that given time they will eventually no longer be here. I will further presuppose that those individuals are in the minority and not indicative of the culture as a whole (newbies included) unless someone presents evidence to the contrary. So yeah… generalizing… not really helpful.

No one here works FOR Fiverr and that is an issue that should be taken into account. Fiverr is NOT an entity unto themselves. As I stated earlier, “Quid-Pro-Quo”. So if a buyer makes a point of relating frustration, even if someone else doesn’t agree with it that doesn’t give anyone the right to be cavalierly dismissive as not worthy of being heard and then further devolve the discussion into condescension (no matter how generically spelled out).

What’s not to get??? I imagine there are areas of improvement within the platform on the Fiverr side as well as with the collective membership but this shouldn’t be an either or proposition as some seem to suggest. It’s about collectively working to make the site better as a whole bcuz everyone benefits as a result (including Fiverr). But the house rules mentality… again, not helpful. Just bcuz things have been done a certain way doesn’t mean there isn’t room for improvement. Buyers, sellers and Fiverr have a mutually beneficial arrangement that serves all parties. And while Fiverr is well within it’s rights not to listen to suggestions/grievances there isn’t anything preventing any of us from making them. And that doesn’t have a d**n thing to do with wanting something for free! If you are happy with the current environment that’s great. Allow room for those who disagree to freely express themselves without the blunt criticisms.

I believe most if not all get it and yet again… getting it does not mean having to agree with it. And not agreeing with it doesn’t mean it’s an absolute deal-breaker and that anyone should leave – only that it is something in need of further discussion and possibly/hopefully solving… with civility.

Anyway, thanks for the (over)indulgence of my .02cents.

I really am done beating this dead horse.

Furthermore, others suggesting that ppl are here looking for charity or a free ride is insulting.

It isn’t directed at you. There ARE people on fiverr looking for a free ride. It’s not meant to be insulting it’s just the truth. They might be in the minority but it’s a large minority.

that doesn’t give anyone the right to be cavalierly dismissive as not worthy of being heard and then further devolve the discussion into condescension

Aren’t you doing that very thing? That entire thing is condescending. No need to take such offense.

the majority of working Americans slaves to a broken system that continues to devalue the worth of actual human beings

I don’t see Americans being “slaves to a broken system”. On the contrary. Working hard for money is what people are desperate to have the opportunity to do when they are walking from their homelands to America, risking their lives. Thank the universe I live in a place where there is work available that lets me live a good life. Others are not so fortunate.

People are desperate to get into America. They are desperate to have what we take for granted. It’s not perfect and doesn’t provide for everyone as well as it should but it’s better than they have it elsewhere.

How did the discussion of adding fees to tips devolve into slamming the “broken American system” and scolding other posters so harshly?

[ultimatefantasy]

Everyone, thank you for chiming in. I have adjusted my post title and content to better reflect how I honestly feel after having a much needed rest, and without the need to attack the platform or policies. I should have worded my thoughts better, and was feeling slighted at the time, as this has been a very expensive year for me, and I was beginning to feel that I’m being over charged at every turn. Taxes, fees, banking fees, property taxes rising etc. I apologize for stirring up any negativity. I just wanted to get feedback from others to see if they had similar feelings. Anyway, if a policy is known to make some people feel uneasy, then perhaps it’s at least worth talking about. Thanks. I will continue to access the amazing talented sellers of Fivver, as without them, the site would not exist, and you are awesome!

[miiila]

Everyone, thank you for chiming in. I have adjusted my post title and content to better reflect how I honestly feel after having a much needed rest, and without the need to attack the platform or policies. I should have worded my thoughts better, and was feeling slighted at the time, as this has been a very expensive year for me, and I was beginning to feel that I’m being over charged at every turn. Taxes, fees, banking fees, property taxes rising etc. I apologize for stirring up any negativity. I just wanted to get feedback from others to see if they had similar feelings. Anyway, if a policy is known to make some people feel uneasy, then perhaps it’s at least worth talking about. Thanks. I will continue to access the amazing talented sellers of Fivver, as without them, the site would not exist, and you are awesome!

Don’t worry, no need to apologize. It’s very understandable and worth a discussion, and if you do a forum search, you’ll see that lots of people, both buyers and sellers, express their feelings about the fee on tips, you’re not alone. 😉

So many that some of us regular forum users have either gotten indifferent or roll our eyes in a “not this discussion again” way - it’s all too easy to forget that others are new and or don’t have years of experience here already (and some “from both sides of the fence”) which taught them a thing or two about all the reasons, machinations and ways of the Fiverr ecosystem.

In fact, I’d find it very weird if nobody ever were questioning “the tip fee issue”. It is a weird thing, when you first notice it and don’t know the whole picture - and to expressly answer the question in the title: yes, certainly it’s sometimes discouraged.

It hasn’t discouraged me personally because even after pausing a moment, I know it doesn’t have anything to do with the seller I bought from, so I kept tipping despite the fee, it’s not that bad, seeing all the advantages Fiverr offers.

But if they’d come up with some better solution, that would be great, and who knows, maybe one these discussions will lead to some great idea they might pick up on eventually.

Perhaps, with all the other measures taken, at some point, they’ll not have to fear for “abuse” so much anymore that they’ll abolish the fee on tips - not long ago, they waived the $1 fee for withdrawal to PayPal, after all, there is always hope. 😉

[Guest overgeek]

Tips are a nice extra but I never count on them. I don’t think the fee discourages a buyer from tipping you. Only your service does 🙂

[Guest manucornel]

Out of courtesy I’m replying but please understand this is my final commentary on the matter.

I totally respect everyone’s life experiences and I absolutely understand the opposing viewpoint of others and it is duly noted. But again, my point here is missed. Who said anything about handouts, charities and the justifications for institutions like Fivver and why/how they administer the fees they do? Sounds like a bit of self-emoting to me. All of that is dismissive of a legitimate complaint expressed by a fellow member. As a new member here I know nothing about other members new or otherwise wanting something for free or abusing rules and that really is NOT the subject of this post anyway.

Not to mention, making the leap from someone relating their frustration with how fees are attached to their tips to proffering a James Allen quote as sufficient evidence of what exactly… I’m not sure??? Let’s focus for a moment… Oh yeah, quick sidenote first: the year James Allen’s father was killed guess what my ancestors were doing? In other words, J.A. Quotes are immaterial here. But if it makes anyone feel better, I’ll be sure to share with my fellow Black Americans how we were complicit in our own 400yr ‘situation’ according to James Allen cuz well… HE should know, right? Furthermore, I’ll spread the conclusion that our fellow members (buyers and sellers) can all go kick rocks cuz this is Fiverr’s house and we’re all proverbial squirrels scrambling for nuts, so just keep our thoughts and opinions on how they conduct business to our collective selves bcuz… we should all just be grateful to exist in Fiverr-land???

Oh nevermind, that’s already been expressed. Thanks.

And still… Zero has been offered here that anyone on this platform isn’t already keenly aware of. This is supposed to be a forum about support, brainstorming and finding solutions to common problems. I responded to OP’s initial thread who simply expressed a very basic frustration and suddenly there are ppl defending Fiverr as if questioning said ‘tip’ imposed fees are indicative of someone wanting a hand out. Well, ain’t that quite the doggone leap! Yeah I know I know… it’s just the way of business and business is business and again… is business. Gotcha. And fees being stated upfront and such. Ditto. And alleged systemic abuse etc. Okay, fine.

My final thoughts on the matter is as follows then I’m done:

Again, I could care less if I receive a tip or not. But unlike some of the off putting responses I’ve read, a tip is NOT charity – but hey whatever, life is short. The one positive here is the possibility of a suggested workaround. I’m on board for that and any other viable solutions.

Anyone who makes a statement (based on a quote) about oppression and co-conspirators with what we know (not only of past American history but) about the ‘current’ modern day scourge (that is a well known and widespread epidemic) is clearly out of touch with the plethora of documented evidence to the contrary that to speak on it further would only serve to make me look silly for encouraging a benign and utterly pointless debate of contention so… I guess I won’t do that.

Furthermore, taking statements out of context without full consideration of the thought process behind said statements just seems lazy. If curt responses re: my comment about ‘forced’ wages is to infer that if a person doesn’t want a low paying wage that they should simply get a higher paying one then I suggest some here think a bit more outside the box for real life clarity. No one chooses any number of things including poverty, being handicapped or even enduring a government shutdown, so misplaced assumptions about anyone’s supposed lack of character, work ethic or life choices is presumptive (and misplaced) as everyone knows life is anything but black and white and I believe that most of us are indeed doing our best to navigate the cards we’ve been dealt (good and bad) bcuz reasonable ppl understand that life sometimes happens TO them and not always as a function of anything wrong one has necessarily initiated. I have a similar story I’d love to share but I feel this post has already become bogged down enough with messaging that has no longer served to elevate the discussion.

Bottom line; I’m about empowerment and problem solving. And I fail to see the logic of justifying one’s business practices on the one hand while concurrently admonishing others to the contrary for what they themselves fail to identify is the e-x-a-c-t same justification in reverse.

I’m certain everyone gets that it’s business as usual. Furthermore, others suggesting that ppl are here looking for charity or a free ride is insulting. To the extent that those individuals exist I imagine that given time they will eventually no longer be here. I will further presuppose that those individuals are in the minority and not indicative of the culture as a whole (newbies included) unless someone presents evidence to the contrary. So yeah… generalizing… not really helpful.

No one here works FOR Fiverr and that is an issue that should be taken into account. Fiverr is NOT an entity unto themselves. As I stated earlier, “Quid-Pro-Quo”. So if a buyer makes a point of relating frustration, even if someone else doesn’t agree with it that doesn’t give anyone the right to be cavalierly dismissive as not worthy of being heard and then further devolve the discussion into condescension (no matter how generically spelled out).

What’s not to get??? I imagine there are areas of improvement within the platform on the Fiverr side as well as with the collective membership but this shouldn’t be an either or proposition as some seem to suggest. It’s about collectively working to make the site better as a whole bcuz everyone benefits as a result (including Fiverr). But the house rules mentality… again, not helpful. Just bcuz things have been done a certain way doesn’t mean there isn’t room for improvement. Buyers, sellers and Fiverr have a mutually beneficial arrangement that serves all parties. And while Fiverr is well within it’s rights not to listen to suggestions/grievances there isn’t anything preventing any of us from making them. And that doesn’t have a d**n thing to do with wanting something for free! If you are happy with the current environment that’s great. Allow room for those who disagree to freely express themselves without the blunt criticisms.

I believe most if not all get it and yet again… getting it does not mean having to agree with it. And not agreeing with it doesn’t mean it’s an absolute deal-breaker and that anyone should leave – only that it is something in need of further discussion and possibly/hopefully solving… with civility.

Anyway, thanks for the (over)indulgence of my .02cents.

I really am done beating this dead horse.

Please, do not diverge this discussion to thinks that has nothing to do with it. We are not talking about slavery here, or people that are disabled and things like that. My quote and discussion were simply about people with freedom of choice and the power to do everything, but that they chose what you call “unfair wage”.

Like it or not, the majority of us have the freedom to do what we want (luckily) and we are the only ones responsible for the outcome we have in life. 🙂

If something is broken in the society (or tax system) has nothing to do with our ability to succeed in life. Our success is only driven or impaired by our mindset. And the fact is that we wouldn’t have a society without taxes, plain and simple.

Those that are in situations that can’t help themselves should be helped by the society, but that was not the discussion.

[minaitstudio]

Hello,

I’m sorry you feel that way!

I do agree to some extent that Tips should have 0% fees.

BUT then people would do a $5 gig and get a $150 tip, they avoid all the fees he’s cheated the system.

You must look at this from all angles …

You are right also :thinking:

[fonthaunt]

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