Limited Buyer's Request for New Sellers?

[mdkawsaralam123]

New sellers now don’t have that opportunity that I had about 6 months ago. I just don’t understand why Fiverr wouldn’t allow them the same opportunity as others.

I agree wholeheartedly.

While it can be seen as Fiverr trying to do something to limit BR offers being swamped by new sellers, it does also smack of pulling the ladder up behind you, which I don’t think was an intended consequence.

I too was demoted from level 2 to level 1 and then ‘new seller’ through no fault of mine. I went from seeing over 1000 BR at a time to about 5 maximum, and was very surprised. Like you, I’m not sure how new sellers are supposed to get started and get to the stage of having repeat buyers now.

I also wonder how somebody who specialises in a skill or talent which isn’t marketing related is suddenly supposed to develop the skills needed to become a marketing expert overnight unless it’s by buying a marketing gig on Fiverr from another seller! 😉

fiverr force every seller to learn marketing their gigs otherwise no way in race

[tavaresduncan]

So please tell me how a newbie will move up on the platform if there is no way to market to the buyers?

This is a short-sighted perspective. You do not need Buyers Request in order to find sales. And you ALWAYS have the ability and opportunity to market elsewhere off Fiverr – wherever your customers are located. Buyers Request is not marketing, it is merely competing for an existing job. There’s a difference.

Doers use buyers request. It’s the opportunity that Fiverr provided for doers to market to its audience that made Fiverr what it is. I am not disputing market else. Even when we market outside of Fiverr, the reason we joined Fiverr (and you said it) is to widen our audience. How can a seller widens his/her Fiverr audience if they have no access to market/get in touch with the buyers on the platform?

[tavaresduncan]

So please tell me how a newbie will move up on the platform if there is no way to market to the buyers?

This is a short-sighted perspective. You do not need Buyers Request in order to find sales. And you ALWAYS have the ability and opportunity to market elsewhere off Fiverr – wherever your customers are located. Buyers Request is not marketing, it is merely competing for an existing job. There’s a difference.

When in our daily lives we go to interviews for an existing job aren’t we marketing ourselves to get the vacancy? It’s the same thing, we market outselves to the buyers in buyers request. I am done.

[jonbaas]

Doers use buyers request. It’s the opportunity that Fiverr provided for doers to market to its audience that made Fiverr what it is. I am not disputing market else. Even when we market outside of Fiverr, the reason we joined Fiverr (and you said it) is to widen our audience. How can a seller widens his/her Fiverr audience if they have no access to market/get in touch with the buyers on the platform?

How can a seller widens his/her Fiverr audience if they have no access to market/get in touch with the buyers on the platform?

Like I said… go find your market, and promote to them. Figure out who your target customers are. Then, do some research to find where those target customers are located. Once you know these two things, you will know who to reach out to, and you will know where to find them. Go there, and interact/market/promote to/with those customers. This is what every business in the world does. It baffles me why you don’t think it applies to you as well.

What confuses me even more is why you are making such a big issue about not having access to the Buyers Request section to compete for those existing jobs. You are currently a Level 1 seller. You already have access to the BR section. Thus… why are you complaining?

[offlinehelpers]

How can a seller widens his/her Fiverr audience if they have no access to market/get in touch with the buyers on the platform?

Like I said… go find your market, and promote to them. Figure out who your target customers are. Then, do some research to find where those target customers are located. Once you know these two things, you will know who to reach out to, and you will know where to find them. Go there, and interact/market/promote to/with those customers. This is what every business in the world does. It baffles me why you don’t think it applies to you as well.

What confuses me even more is why you are making such a big issue about not having access to the Buyers Request section to compete for those existing jobs. You are currently a Level 1 seller. You already have access to the BR section. Thus… why are you complaining?

You are currently a Level 1 seller. You already have access to the BR section. Thus… why are you complaining?

I think the OP is just being empathetic with those who are currently in the ‘new seller’ category and for all of those who may go back to that in the future as levels aren’t kept in the same way they were. ☀️

[jonbaas]

You are currently a Level 1 seller. You already have access to the BR section. Thus… why are you complaining?

I think the OP is just being empathetic with those who are currently in the ‘new seller’ category and for all of those who may go back to that in the future as levels aren’t kept in the same way they were. ☀️

I think the OP is just being empathetic with those who are currently in the ‘new seller’ category and for all of those who may go back to that in the future as levels aren’t kept in the same way they were. ☀️

Perhaps. It is awful kind of him to be so vocal for the well-being of others. 😉

[tavaresduncan]

How can a seller widens his/her Fiverr audience if they have no access to market/get in touch with the buyers on the platform?

Like I said… go find your market, and promote to them. Figure out who your target customers are. Then, do some research to find where those target customers are located. Once you know these two things, you will know who to reach out to, and you will know where to find them. Go there, and interact/market/promote to/with those customers. This is what every business in the world does. It baffles me why you don’t think it applies to you as well.

What confuses me even more is why you are making such a big issue about not having access to the Buyers Request section to compete for those existing jobs. You are currently a Level 1 seller. You already have access to the BR section. Thus… why are you complaining?

I am not talking about myself. Why do you love judging? Did I ever say I don’t market elsewhere? I’ll end the discussion, thanks for your feedback.

[mdkawsaralam123]

I am not talking about myself. Why do you love judging? Did I ever say I don’t market elsewhere? I’ll end the discussion, thanks for your feedback.

this person always judging which i noticed for since long!!!

[jonbaas]

I am not talking about myself. Why do you love judging? Did I ever say I don’t market elsewhere? I’ll end the discussion, thanks for your feedback.

Why do you love judging?

Not at all. I am, in fact, encouraging you to be better than you are, work harder to achieve your goals, be open to other ideas, and not rely on the the perceived easy road to find your success.

Becoming a successful seller on Fiverr is not supposed to be easy.

You’re going to have to think outside the box.

[uxreview]

Instead of making the requests shown to level 0 sellers dissapear after a certain amount of level 0 sellers have responded to it (and whatever else they’re doing, if any, to reduce the amount shown to level 0 sellers), wouldn’t it have been better to have some other way?

Maybe it could just allow the buyer to sort or filter it however they want. They could also detect the spammers (those who send the exact same offer to every request or almost the same) and either filter those or put them lower down in the list. They could also allow different amounts of offers sent to buyer requests depending on level or reduce the amount for those the system detects are spamming (sending too close to the same offer to many). The system could also (if it was needed) have it’s own way of making sure that the seller had actually fully read the buyer request that they are sending an offer to (eg. like a recaptcha but entering some text from the request).

Basically the good level 0 sellers shouldn’t be punished for what the bad sellers (eg. “spammers”) do. Level 0 sellers probably need the buyer requests the most.

Maybe it could just allow the buyer to sort or filter it however they want.

There are a ton of things Fiverr could do to improve the buyer requests section, but for whatever reason they haven’t. This limit for new sellers is probably the only step they have taken in a while. I don’t think it’s the best solution, but it’s something.

I get that it’s not easy to stand out if you’re new, but I’m sure a lot of sellers who can’t make it without the buyer requests, won’t make it anyway. There are exceptions, but if a buyer doesn’t pick you from the search results then they won’t pick your offer either no matter what you write because they will still check out your gig.

[misscrystal]

Maybe it could just allow the buyer to sort or filter it however they want.

There are a ton of things Fiverr could do to improve the buyer requests section, but for whatever reason they haven’t. This limit for new sellers is probably the only step they have taken in a while. I don’t think it’s the best solution, but it’s something.

I get that it’s not easy to stand out if you’re new, but I’m sure a lot of sellers who can’t make it without the buyer requests, won’t make it anyway. There are exceptions, but if a buyer doesn’t pick you from the search results then they won’t pick your offer either no matter what you write because they will still check out your gig.

if a buyer doesn’t pick you from the search results then they won’t pick your offer either no matter what you write because they will still check out your gig

Well said. Your gig needs to be one that stands out from the rest as being better.

[tavaresduncan]

if a buyer doesn’t pick you from the search results then they won’t pick your offer either no matter what you write because they will still check out your gig

Well said. Your gig needs to be one that stands out from the rest as being better.

I disagree. When you are new seller you’re a more likely to be on the 7th and 8th pages of the search where no buyer will go. You are the bottom of the search for the most part. That’s why buyers request is more for new sellers, not seasoned sellers who already have their customers.

[uxreview]

I disagree. When you are new seller you’re a more likely to be on the 7th and 8th pages of the search where no buyer will go. You are the bottom of the search for the most part. That’s why buyers request is more for new sellers, not seasoned sellers who already have their customers.

Newbies get a boost in search when they join. A lot of them get more traffic during their first week than some of the L2 sellers.

In buyer requests

• up to 30 offers can be made until the buyer clears them
• you’re competing with hundreds of other newbies
• usually the fastest are the ones sending templates

I get that you’re feeling bad for the new sellers, but the change was made because of buyers. The new sellers themselves took it so far that buyer had to say “ENOUGH, we don’t want those template offers anymore”. Those freakin’ spammers flooded buyers with templates and back then L1 & L2 sellers didn’t even have a chance to make a decent offer. So spammers were blocking others, now it has improved because spammers can flood only 1/3 of the offers.

We’ve established by now that the solution is not the best, but like it or not this change was caused by new sellers. Any seller who’s good at what they do and offers excellent customer service to their clients won’t have much trouble getting to the Level 2 and then they can use the buyer requests again.

And the best part is that once they do get to the L2 they have gained enough knowledge and experience to make a decent offer.

[sandm4n]

I’m a new seller myself and I completely agree with @uxreview and @jonbaas. The current BR system is fair. I can easily exhaust my 10 daily offers with the amount of BRs that are available per day. If anything, I consider this limitation a training exercise, where a new seller is able to understand the market and what the buyers truly need, thus improve the quality of work and communication skills by putting in time and effort for each request.

Honestly, it isn’t that hard getting orders via BR yet still there are people using templates and spoiling the whole section for us legitimate new sellers. Even then, a good new seller will easily wade up to the L1 rank.

It’s how you say, “separating the wheat from the chaff”. 🙂

[uxreview]

I’m a new seller myself and I completely agree with @uxreview and @jonbaas. The current BR system is fair. I can easily exhaust my 10 daily offers with the amount of BRs that are available per day. If anything, I consider this limitation a training exercise, where a new seller is able to understand the market and what the buyers truly need, thus improve the quality of work and communication skills by putting in time and effort for each request.

Honestly, it isn’t that hard getting orders via BR yet still there are people using templates and spoiling the whole section for us legitimate new sellers. Even then, a good new seller will easily wade up to the L1 rank.

It’s how you say, “separating the wheat from the chaff”. 🙂

It’s how you say, “separating the wheat from the chaff”.

Exactly, hard working new sellers don’t waste time on complaining how unfair the world is. They work their @ss off and get to the level 2 in no time 😉

The best of luck to you @sandm4n

[sandm4n]

It’s how you say, “separating the wheat from the chaff”.

Exactly, hard working new sellers don’t waste time on complaining how unfair the world is. They work their @ss off and get to the level 2 in no time 😉

The best of luck to you @sandm4n

Thanks!

By the way, I can’t help but imagine the BR section being like this sometimes :rofl: :

[rishaan_bhagat]

Do you think Fiverr limits requests new sellers see?

Yes, they do.

If so I think it’s unfortunate and unfair because new sellers should be given equal opportunity to sell themselves and get their services out there to buyers on the platform.

No, it is not unfair. Fiverr seeks to encourage sellers to learn how to manage and promote their services on their own. If a seller is serious about their success here on Fiverr, and they earn a promotion to Level 1, then Fiverr rewards them with the ability to make use of – and access – the Buyer Request features.

New Sellers do not deserve special treatment. All sellers have the same ability to grow their business, and become better freelancers, but all sellers must learn how to do this independently, instead of expecting Fiverr to provide them with customers, sales, and success. It is not Fiverr’s responsibility to make sellers successful.

If you aren’t able to access of find customers in the Buyers Request section, then you’re going to have to learn how to market and promote your services elsewhere – to the target customers that need your services.

Fiverr’s tagline is, “In Doers We Trust”. They want sellers to manage their own success, and take actions on their own to achieve their business goals. New Sellers are at the bottom of the seller ranks, and must work harder to prove themselves. This is 100% fair and reasonable.

This is excellent! Thank you.

[uk1000]

Maybe it could just allow the buyer to sort or filter it however they want.

There are a ton of things Fiverr could do to improve the buyer requests section, but for whatever reason they haven’t. This limit for new sellers is probably the only step they have taken in a while. I don’t think it’s the best solution, but it’s something.

I get that it’s not easy to stand out if you’re new, but I’m sure a lot of sellers who can’t make it without the buyer requests, won’t make it anyway. There are exceptions, but if a buyer doesn’t pick you from the search results then they won’t pick your offer either no matter what you write because they will still check out your gig.

I get that it’s not easy to stand out if you’re new, but I’m sure a lot of sellers who can’t make it without the buyer requests, won’t make it anyway. There are exceptions, but if a buyer doesn’t pick you from the search results then they won’t pick your offer either no matter what you write because they will still check out your gig.

It’s not just when you are new, it’s when you have level 0 which can be when you get demoted. Also I must be one of the exceptions then because the vast majority of orders I get are from offers (and most offers from all time have been from buyer requests I think) and past buyers. It also depends on where you are (timezone) and whether you are one of the ones who show as “online” (I don’t so I’ll get less orders than those who the “online” function works for).

So for those who get most orders from buyer requests, if they ever get demoted to level 0, they could then get hardly any orders in that time and it could be hard to get back to level 1. And those who start as level 0, will, depending on the types of gigs and whether they normally get their orders from BR, find it harder to get to level 1.

[offlinehelpers]

I’m a new seller myself and I completely agree with @uxreview and @jonbaas. The current BR system is fair. I can easily exhaust my 10 daily offers with the amount of BRs that are available per day. If anything, I consider this limitation a training exercise, where a new seller is able to understand the market and what the buyers truly need, thus improve the quality of work and communication skills by putting in time and effort for each request.

Honestly, it isn’t that hard getting orders via BR yet still there are people using templates and spoiling the whole section for us legitimate new sellers. Even then, a good new seller will easily wade up to the L1 rank.

It’s how you say, “separating the wheat from the chaff”. 🙂

I can easily exhaust my 10 daily offers with the amount of BRs that are available per day.

You’re fortunate you can see more than 10 offers - not everyone can as it depends on the category your gigs are in. 🙂

It is awful kind of him to be so vocal for the well-being of others. 😉

I think @tavaresduncan should get some praise for trying to help others who are struggling with a lack of buyer requests. Far from complaining, it was a justified question about equal opportunities.

So for those who get most orders from buyer requests, if they ever get demoted to level 0, they could then get hardly any orders in that time and it could be hard to get back to level 1.

That is a real problem, and easy to ignore if you haven’t been in that position - I do hope it doesn’t happen to anybody in the future. It’s a difficult hole to get yourself out of, and well done for appreciating the fact it can happen. ☀️

[goliwog]

I am a new seller (been a buyer since 2012 though). For the first 2 weeks as a seller, I’ve only seen ONE buyer request. I didn’t response to the request because it’s not one that I am specialized in.

But I am not complaining. As someone who have been selling my own products, software and mobile apps I know first-hand how hard it is to get customers to visit my websites.

Just a few weeks before I became a seller I released an ebook about cryptocurrency, I managed to market it on FB groups that I am active on and one that I own. But after that the traffic died out. I have no major avenue to advertise as Adwords, Twitter, or Facebook ban crypto related ads. The search engines will not be sending traffic anytime soon since the website is brand new. I know there are ways to market it but the result won’t be immediate.

In contrast, the two weeks as a Fiverr seller, I’ve seen my gigs getting impressions, views and clicks. I am just started marketing my gigs outside of Fiverr (but I don’t think that has brought any buyers yet). However during those times, I am already getting 7 orders and counting just from Fiverr traffic alone.

So if you ask me, it’s much easier to market your product/service on Fiverr (even without buyer requests) than to create your own website and do the marketing all by yourself.

There are only a few things that we can do to improve our gigs. The title, descriptions, images, videos( I will definitely add this one later), tags and a few others. Whatever I do, my goal is to increase engagement of my gigs. From impressions, views, gigs, likes etc. I need people to get in touch with me because that’s the chance I have to convert them into paying customers.

I haven’t received any order for the past 2 days but I use the time to learn and market my gig outside of Fiverr.

I’ve also subscribed to Lynda.com yesterday, taking some online classes to improve and expand my design skills.

I think the harder part was getting the first order. After that everything just seems to get just a little bit easier…

[uxreview]

We can go round and round, but the bottom line is that this change was made to improve the quality of offers that are sent to the buyers.

The reason why I’m not against this change is because I used to be on the receiving end. If you ask me as a buyer do I want to get 30 spam offers or 10 spam & 20 genuine offers from Level 2 sellers then I will pick the option B. Because of the crap I received multiple times I stopped using it. I bet I’m not the only one and if a buyer gets only template offers then they might even leave Fiverr altogether which is a loss for all of us.

Do a simple search in this forum and see how many users recommend buyers sections to buyers. We constantly recommend newbies to send offers, but almost every time a buyer complains about the crap they received in buyers request, most of us say don’t waste your time with it because that’s what you’ll get there.
And it used to be true before this change.

Talking about fairness, this solution is actually more fair. New sellers can still make offers, it hasn’t been taken away from them. The reason they don’t see requests is because spammers are always first to respond and they use up the offers newbies can make.
Now at least buyers get a fair amount of offers from newbies and from senior sellers.

If you take other sites such as UW then they have requirement filters. We don’t know what Fiverr is doing, but if it doesn’t get better I wouldn’t be surprised if Fiverr added a few filters. Once they add a level filter, you will see that most new sellers won’t get any requests because buyers will set the minimum level.

Ideally I would like to see some kind of rating system for the offers so that spam can be flagged. However, this won’t be a perfect solution either because buyers can rate your offers as they wish and mark it as spam even if it isn’t.

To sum up my long rant, put yourself in buyer’s shoes.
If you haven’t tried it as a buyer then give it a try 😉

[miiila]

I think something that hurts new sellers now too is that the filter options for seller level now don´t have “New Seller” anymore.
I assume that´s a byproduct of the evaluation, because many people, rightly, complained that it doesn´t make sense when sellers who are here since the dawn of Fiverr time and have hundreds or thousands of reviews got listed when you filtered for “New Sellers”.

Either way, it´s bad for the actual new sellers because, contrary to what many people post here, there are people who actually look for new sellers, in the hope to find someone who´ll do a good job for less money than the already established sellers. Mind you, that may mainly be resellers, but anyway, it was a good way for new sellers to get orders, apart from BR. Now, people who were expressly looking for new sellers can´t use that filter any longer.

Would be good if Fiverr somehow figured out a way to “separate” the level that now is “New Seller” including the demoted sellers, maybe add one level 3, and reserve “New Sellers” for actually new sellers, level 1 for sellers who´d land in “New Sellers” because of demotions, level 2 instead of level 1 and level 3 instead of level 2. I hope it´s possible to follow my train of thought here. 😛

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Regarding BR, this won´t sit well with many people, but, with the purpose to attract buyers to using it, I´d probably give them more filters, seller level one among them (and of course only sellers with the desired level/s would see those requests then, so those who won´t be chosen anyway don´t need to waste time replying).

For instance, someone who wants X done for a budget of min $50 and max $200 by a TRS and would not get any offers, because no TRS in their right mind would do X for less than $500, could then rethink either their budget or their desired seller level and edit and repost their request. 😉
And people who are fine with trying new sellers and hope for a good deal, could expressly address new sellers and no others, get less offers, all in all (and hopefully less spammy offers as well) and those requests would be exclusively seen by new sellers, and only new sellers, so the good ones among them would perhaps get to see more requests then and their chance to get the job instead of not seeing any buyer requests because they are new.

Well, something like that.

[fonthaunt]

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